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Hi
I have got to page 14 so far and will catch up with the rest tomorrow eveing, i do ope you get to the bottom of this if not already.

Samantha

Here is the marriage of Ernest that Sandra found:

Marriages Dec 1910

Brignell Sarah Maldon 4a 1285
Livermore Ernest W Maldon 4a 1285

Selena

Hi Sandra and Selena

Sandra.I would love to think that this could possibly be my fathers grandfather.There are some similar things but I dont think it is him. Also my Edwin was a corporal.

I also received an email back from the lady that runs the South African site.
She said that without the area of South Africa that Edwin served in there was little she could do. She also said that if he had married then she is sure that his marriage details would have gone on his Army records. So I am really confused now and dont really know what to think.

I am hoping to receive the certificated that I ordered on Edwins parents soon.They might give some more clues but I am thinking that pretty soon we are going to have to close the boo on this one.

I will post here when I get some more news.

Dionne
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Hi

This is an exciting and fascinating thread! What an amazing story ...

I am only posting to add a comment about Edwin and marriage details on Army records. My Australian grandfather enlisted in Oz Army in 1915 - at this point he had been married 10 yrs and had a daughter. Neither his wife nor daughter are mentioned on Army record - the spaces are blank, so he did not tick "No" to having them but did not admit to them either.

What I've discovered is that he joined up to leave them - his wife later divorced him. On marriage to my gran he added 10 yrs to his age and described himself as a widower ... oh, and his father as deceased - he wasn't!

Things aren't always what they seem just because docs are official!

Good luck with rest of your research.

Su

Hi Susan

Thankyou for your message.You have now given me a little hope. But...Edwiin was only 18 when he joined up and not married.He then went to South Africa with the Army.I dont know if he married but I do know that his daughters were born in South Africa so wouldnt they have been added to his records as he was till in South Africa? the trail just goes cold.

I am hoping that a certificate ordered on a death of an Edwin Livermore just might possibly be him.If its not them I really think alians came down and took him to another planet because we cant find him on this one. Thats given me an idea.Hire a space ship from NASSA and travel the universe to look for him,lol.

Dionne
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Dionne..

If he were 'carrying on' off camp then maybe he just didn't declare them? or if he were 'batting above his weight' ie, seeing a captain's daughter maybe they kept the fact he was their father secret?

Very true Wayne.Very true. But then how did the girls make it back over to here?So many questions!!
Nice to see you back by the way.

Dionne
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well maybe they didn't come back with him?

Jut because he fathered them doesn't mean he had a relationship with them?

Maybe he abandoned them and their mother brought them home?

Or... maybe she abandoned him and brought them back here? wonder if thats why they put deceased.... because they just didn't know?

Maybe because of the war he was fighting it was a good bet he'd have been killed? esp if their mother had heard nothing from him?

OOooooh so many questions.....

I've always been here but just lurking! xx

Dionne, Can you give me the Walter bit, ive lost the plot and cant find it on your DOOMSDAY EDITION of H,,,E,,,,L,,,,P,,,,for my father thread,, all the best BOB,.,.,

Sorry to be a nuisance, I'm losing track. How is Edwin Livermore who married Leonora Pittuck in 1935 connected?

Selena

Selena, this is the thread that mentioned Edwin W Livermore b 1911 (a possible son of Edwin Livermore b 1884)


"Contrary Mary
04/11/2007 17:55:32
Hi Dionne
I found this death which I think could be a previously unknown brother of Dorothea - or her father.

Edwin William Livermore - dob 14 Sep 1911 - Death Q4 1972 Hillingdon.

I've searched 1909 - 1913 for a birth for the above Edwin and.....yep you've guessed....there isn't one! But it could open up another line of living relatives who might know something about the family.

The other alternative is that it is Dorothea's fathers death. I know it doesn't sound possible but believe me I've just had one like it myself: I knew the death I was looking for was in 1961 and I knew the age was 84 - on the death cert his age is recorded as 63! with a note in the margin with the correct age, so it does happen!

Mary "

Given the above information it is very likely that he is a son and maybe born in South Africa

It is his marriage to Leonora Pittuck in 1935.

Marriage
Edwin W Livermore.....Leonora I Pittuck
Hendon
4th qtr 1935
vol 3a page 1345

Birth
Pamela J Livermore mmn Pittuck
Colchester
3rd qtr 1936
vol 4a page 1285

Details have been sent via pm to Dionne re living relatives from this union.

Brenda

Ref the Pittuck & Pinnuck saga,

Marriages,
June 1894
Clara Livermore 3a 392
William Pinnuck
Edmonton

It would now seem that there is a tieup of both names

Clara Livermore bn Edmonton Mar q 1873
Walter Livermore bn Edmonton Mar q 1871
one marries a Pittuck & the other a Pinnuck ????

Best Regards BOB,.,

Brenda, many thanks for that, I was quite confused!

Selena

Here,s another one (cat & pidgeons spring to mind)

Marriages Mar q 1917
Sloper Charles E
PUTTICK Charlotte L
Lewisham 1d 1477.
Probably nothing to do with this thread exept Area of Lewisham being close to Bromley/mottingham.
BOB,.

Just nudging up

Good morning everyone.

Hi Bob.
There is not a Walter thread. You found a marriage I think and one of the names was Walter.There is not a name Walter in the Livermores that we are trying to find sorry.

I would also like to thank everyone involed in their time and continued help in trying to piece together this mystery.Thankyou.

Today I have received some certificates.

The marriage of William and Sarah Ann
as shown on certificate

WILLIAM LIVERMORE aged 21.Bachelor
ANNIE HARVEY aged 25.Spinster

MARRIED 14th November 1883

Residence at time of marriage
SOUTHMINSTER MALDON

Fathers name Joseph Thomas Livermore
Fathers name James Harvey.

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Death of Sarah Ann Livermore

15th December 1941 aged 83

SIGNATURE OF INFORMANT.
J E Bloomfied son in law
Copford,Colchester Essex.

(Bloomfield was the husband of Sarahs daughter Florence Emily)

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Death of William Livermore

11th February 1940 aged 78

19 Alexander Road
Colchester,Essex

SIGNATURE OF INFORMANT

A M Lewis (Daughter)
95 Surrey Avenue
London
SE 24

(A M Lewis was Alice Maud Livermore)


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I am still waiting for the birth certificate of the possible brother to Dorothea. But I have received a death certificate for an Edwin Livermore.It was thought this could be the death certificate for Dorotheas possible father. I am really not sure so I would love your comments.


Edwin Livermore
DIED 24th March 1953 aged 68

Occupation Tug boat Owner

Signature of Informant
D N Harris
Cheif Resident Officer.
Brook House
Henley Road
Ipswich.

Have a good day everyone.
Dionne
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Looked up Surrey Road SE24 and it is Herne Hill London.
Here is a death for :

Alice Maud Lewis dob 09/12/1889
Camberwell
3rd qtr 1977
vol 11 page 1190

This ties in with the birth of Alice Maud Livermore 1st qtr 1890 Maldon.

Also Camberwell and Herne Hill are so close:

From: Herne Hill,London
To: Camberwell,London
Distance: 1.7 miles

Will see if I can find a marriage or children.

Re Edwin Livermore's death, I am not sure. He does not appear to have a wife, is the right age and not far from home.Also the informant may have only known him as Edwin On the other hand, why was he not involved in informing of his maybe parents deaths. Perhaps he was dead to the family for some reason or possibly it is not the Edwin William Livermore we are looking for.

No giving up though!

Brenda

Hi Dionne, Tug Boat Owner - LOL. My mind boggles!

Just wondering what Brook House on Henley Road, Ipswich was - a nursing home? what is a chief resident officer? What a shame the informant wasn't a relative.

SE24 is in south east London, roughly Herne Hill area, in borough of either Southwark Council or Lambeth Council.

If you need any electoral roll looks in the borough of Lewisham, let me know as I might be able to get to the library one day.

I desperate to hear about the certificate for the possible brother of Dorothea!!!!!

Selena

Dionne, I wish you could set up a website with your whole tree on it for us to see. (only joking)

I can't keep up with who's who.

Selena

This death seems that it may relate to an Edwin Livermore born 1885 who was an apprentice on a ship on 1901 census. Occupation would tie in, and age fits. 1901 says he was born in Breede, Sussex.