General Chat

Alexis Bailey will be sentenced by the Crown Court at a later date.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/10/london-riots-teacher-31-pleads-guilty-to-looting-as-court-cases-start-115875-23334652/

Gwynne

If the culprits are under a certain age, their parents should be charged with child neglect, as they are allowing their children out to join in the rioting and looting. The older culprits should be sent to boot camp, then off to Afghanistan. If they want to fight, then they'll be in the right place.

The teaching assistant let slip the Metro paper, and actually showed his own face. He should be instantly sacked from his job. As for those pleading for bail, due to having interviews, you have no chance of a job now with a record for rioting, but will still expect the government to pay you dole money, and housing benefit.

The country suffers even more, as the employers whose premises have been destroyed, have no work for them, and all our home insurance premiums will take a massive jump to cover the payouts.

Grampian police have now sent down officers to help out.

Not sure that members of the army would want them joining them in afghanistan. Can't imagine they would be able to rely on their support in a crisis. Dependable, team worker, level headed? Not any of these are they. Send them to boot camp but not to the army.

Some totally useless t****r on the tv just now in Salford, saying everyone should riot again tonight, because: "there's no jobs, it's all these Polish people coming over here taking jobs" when pointed out to him that looting and destroying businesses wasn't going to keep or bring jobs..."well that's up to them",
Thick!

Is it something they're putting in the water?!

There's a lot of stuff on FB suggesting that there is 'local' trouble but it's all made up.... eg, "there are 30 youths gathering at ***** shopping centre which is being boarded up" but there aren't, it's just to get youths to go down there. to look and then no doubt wind them into action.

Joan do not believe they have water cannons here - however they are in N. I. - hence they will be ready at 24 hours notice.

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that some were stored at lambeth?..x

Rose I agree I lost count the amount of times I seen on FB people saying that there was rioting and looting in my home town, now I was working a late last night and come home through town not a thing, alsorts of reports where going on that ******* my local town was well on fire, I think there was a certain misunderstanding as manchester is known as town and so is the local town bepending on which part of manchester you are from, needless to say that wasnt so much as cig dimp on the pavements this morning...

I suppose the defence lawyers next excuse for the looting of Digital TVs will be that they are required to go with the Satellite dishes which are of course a human right. :-S :-S :-S :-0 ;-)

You really couldn't make it up................

well the fire service have water hoses - a good soaking in cold water should do the trick just as well though it probably won't knock them off their feet - some of them looked as if they could do with a good wash anyway

When I watched the mother (who said jog on ) being interviewed on tv news I would have gladly turn a hose on her myself....what a 'loving mother' :-(

yes,perantal control has gone out of the window.x

yes,perantal control has gone out of the window.x

I've just been through nearly seven pages of all this smug condemnation and no doubt we will hear a lot more from most of the speakers in the debate later today in Parliament.It matters little if all those convicted are jailed and the keys thrown away.

However if you ignore the underlying issues surrounding these events,they will come back to bite you again and again.

so the underlying issues are??

I'm intrigued too.
There were teenagers, children, and adults with responsible (and in some cases well paid) jobs.
We're all suffering from the economic crisis.
We're not all rioting, killing, committing arson or stealing.
Perhaps we're the 'wrongdoers' for not joining in!!

well said maggie as always.ive said the same thing but got shot down as usuall.x

PMSL- Just heard on the radio - no trouble in the North of the country - it's raining heavily!!!!

Wooses!!!

Just shows that water cannon, or even just fire hoses would have got them running - they don't want to ruin their designer hoodies do they?

I admit I haven't read all these posts but wanted to add my ha'ppen'orth to the first few pages that I absorbed.

I am not very old but I do see that subsequent generations have bred youths with no past and no future. They live a "me" generation _ even some of my own children are totally selfish_ and they have no idea of community.

They have no respect for police or government, and why should they have because they see neither and just live feral lives?

I don't know how, as a community, we can solve this, What I do know is that we have been so lax, any discipline will cause outrage and further trouble because these are undisciplined children causing much of this. The fact that someone was shot dead is sad, but totally rrelevant. He wouldn't have wished this.

I do wonder if it would be a good idea to stop all welfare payments to everyone unless you make some contribution to community/society? In other words we don't care how poor you are/what country you came from/how many kids you have/ but if you need money then we will help you but to earn it you must visit old peoples homes/pick up litter/support the police/work at a charity soup kitchen or whatever.

As a tax-payer I don't want to pay for anyone who doesn't contribute to my society any more.

I really want to help the disadvantaged..........but they need to payback. At whatever level they can manage. That's life.

HI Helen,
I agree, something has to be done, but witholding benefit payments will leave the childen in a worse state if their parents are particularly feckless.
You can't have people starving!

Some people (not just youngsters) do live in a 'me' situation - I believe it started in the '80's, so that's 30 years of some people believing the rest of the world owe them what they want, to contend with!!

The rioters weren't all from the 'underclass' (I hate that term),many had blackberry's (which I, who work, can't afford), and cars, and were wearing expensive clothes.
Quite a few of those charged had well paid jobs.
They just had no morals, forethought, sense or empathy.
I should imagine, for a few, the riots were a 'bit of a thrill', for others, a 'bit of a laugh' - with no thought for those who they affected, those locked terrified in their homes, those left homeless, because they didn't notice, consider or even care that the shops they set fire to had flats above.

They weren't on the streets protesting - they were out for their own, for want of a better word, 'satisfaction'.

Hi Maggie, why aren't we both tucked up in our beds!

I don't want anyone to starve, lol!

When I say children I just mean the younger generation.

I do feel that this lot only respond to money so therefore withdrawing their free access to money and then negotiating on it is an option.

In our family we earn our pittance and have had to pay for our own kids to go to college, at a cost of over £500 a month each, because we are just over the cut-off limit.We have no disposable income. But we would never steal, along with most people.

I really object to paying for other people's kids when they contribute nothing - there is something that everyone can do for society that suits their circumstances. I do think this is where welfare should go. In other countries this would be the norm.

I am not a socialist because I think "society" lets us all down at present.