Genealogy Chat

Margaret.the map says Flagg is right in the middle of a circle of....Monyash Sheldon Ashford in the Water great Longstone and Taddington..all of which PRs i have............and on the west..Chelmorton..which I'll have by Tuesday.
Tideswell is north of Taddington..and Great Hucklow and Foolow are half way to Eyam.
We have a possible thomas needham at Great Hucklow/ Foolow.
I will go all throug evry one of these Prs in the next few days. But to go back to your original enquiry..Chelmorton might answer a lot.

Derek

Ok margaret..sod the Census for a minute and lets comcentrate on the FACTs of the Parish records.......

We have four Thomas Needham marriages..in every one of them he is a weaver..and his father is William..the earlier two are before fathers were named.

it is not inconceivable that he married three times, becasue in the last three he is a widower/weaver......neither is it inconceivable that he died in Tideswell 02/11/1877 aged 75........but he was NOT born in Tideswell (so why not monyash?)

You've got the facts, so lets put them in order and then you can examine my suggestion that MAYBE there was only the one Thomas.

Thomas (a weaver) married Margaret hill 11.12.1820..she died 12.07.1833....They had five children..of which one..Marianne b 1825 died aged 16weeks

He didn't waste too much time marying Mary Swindell..marrying her 25.12.1833 (she died 21.08.1842) and they had two children Elizabeth 07.11.1834 and Ruth Swindell 16.01.1837

I think he married Eliza Reece (14.11.1850) and had no children with her.....


Trouble is you also have an Ann Flinders who married a weaver Thomas Needham 12.09.1839....No death for Ann..Thomas' father was William a carter..

I have a birth refernce for both of these people.

Get back to you
Derek

ok..the Thomas who married Ann Flinders was born 1815...son of William and elizabeth..William is a Carter not a butcher..and, i suggest can be eliminated from the equation....but the three other Thomas' were all weavers with a father William the butcher......but i suggest not actually born.baptised in tideswell..I suggest these are all one Thomas..........

Derek

Hello Derek,
Please let me know how you have managed to acquire Registers and

Records for your own use ? Thank you '

Hetty

Hi Hetty.....I am a subscriber to Ancestry.com.which gives me access to all the census returns.. and BMD's post 1837.....I am a member of several Family history Societies...a lot of rcords are readily available on line if you know where to look..and I have purchased a very large number..over several years...

Derek.

Ooh Derek you are making me dizzy!

Three Thomases, I can't cope with them, all with father William a butcher?

How do you know that the Thomas who marrie Ann Flinders is a carter? Is that from parish records?

Derek, I will have to let you assimilate all this as I have lost the plot.

Please let me know when you have done so, and accept that you are a star in my eyes. Thank you so much for your help.

Margaret

Hi Margaret.....I think you might have been causing yourself more grief than necessary.......It now seem to me fairly clear that the old goat married three times........
William father of the Thomas who married Ann Flinder was a carter as shown in Tideswell parish register.

The disc i have ..indee all of them...has different versions of the records....they are the same info....but differ in details...Word procesor gives you Name orders as well as date order....the CSV sets give more information about parents and their occupations or status..as well as leading to the apropriate weddings

For instance Tideswell leads to the Bakewell register to find the Marriage of Butcher Bill to Elizabeth Inglebey (both from Chelmorton!!) 03.07.1774

Hi my dear Derek, sleuth of Derbyshire.

Yes, I spotted Ann Flinders, but don't think she is in the equation, but there "on hold". The Thomas she married is, I think, the innkeeper from Flagg. The Bill and Lizzy Ingleby are a possibility.

I have perhaps not been using the CD properly, I notice slight differences between the database version and the excel version.

Phew!

Margaret

Well!! I did some work on James Measham of Repton Derbys.....came back with the info..and the post has been deleted.what's going off??????

Whoops sorry Derek I somehow deleted.

Hello Derek
I am hoping that you can help me again.

I'm trying to find the parents of
Richard Holme born 1826, Wigan, a provision dealer,& labourer.
He married Ellen Moss born 1828, Wigan.

On his christening details it mentioned parents being a
Richard & Ann, no other details. Date of christening 5th nov,1826.

I have rest of details of his life, onwards. nothing else of siblings or parents.

I.m hoping you might be able to take pity on a grandma, to climb this mountain, and see the other side.
Very many thanks
Wendy

Hi Derek..oh wise one of Derbyshire...

When you have a spare moment!!...I wonder if you could help me out yet again please..

I am looking for a birth/baptism for a Joseph Baddar/Badder b c1803 according to the census Joseph was born in Ashbourne....the only baptism I can find on IGI is a Joseph Baddar bap1800 at Saint Peter, Derby....parents Thomas Baddar and Hanah.

I do know that Joseph married Rhoda James in 1836 in Ellastone, Staffordshire and by 1841 Joseph and Rhoda were living in Ashbourne where their two youngest children were born...Emma b1838 and Mary 1841.

Through birth certs etc I found that the family had moved to Stockport, Cheshire by 1844.

Joseph died in 1861 in the Stockport Union Workhouse...his age is given as 42 however this is incorrect...it is definitely him occupation etc...also the only Badder family in Stockport !!

No rush Derek honest...

Many thanks...

Linda

Hi Linda ..trouble is that Stockport is so close to the border with derbys.....have found the two children born in Ashbourne..still looking for any badders?Baddars..if Joseph died 1861 aged 42 then he was borb 1819..not 1800!

Derek

Hi Derek...

Sorry what I meant was that the age on Joseph's death cert is incorrect....possibly because the informant was not a member of the family I thought....an attendant in the workhouse perhaps. The workhouse in Stockport also acted as an infirmary...his family were still living in the family home.

Also 3 lashes of the whip for me I omitted to say that Joseph is buried in Stockport Municipal Cemetery, although the headstone does not exist anymore, their records show that he was 58 when he died.

Having looked previously on the census there are a few Badders in Derbyshire but unfortunately I have never found a link....4 years on!! Joseph is my husband's 2x gt grandfather.

Many thanks and sorry again..

Linda

Hello again Derek

Can I ask do you have any records for the Belper area yet?. If so where can I find/buy them?. I have so any ancestors in that area that I don't want to impose on your good nature by giving you a huge list.

Spiral

Margaret..I now have the Chelmorton Parish records....and we're going to have to do some serious thinking about your Thomas....have to find some clue as to which one you're looking for.because there is a perfectly good line for Thomas in Flagg......Joseph was a Publican/Farmer..he DID marry Mary Dawson in Bakewell 23.02.1792......and had four children including thomas 1800.......(Two Joseph's..one who di9ed two days old)
I'm thinking that the Monyash link is either a red herring...or that they registered Thomas' birth at Monyash in January 1800 at monyash.and had him baptised in Chelmorton in february. Don't forget..Mary came from Chelmorton and Joseph from Flagg
Incidentally Thomas born 1800 was buried at Chelmorton 28.08.1873 aged 73.
So is all the gumph from Tideswell..just co-incidence??? you can't have them both
Thomas married Ellen Skidmore by Licence 26.01.1835 and had six children. hew was a farmer till his father died..then..surprise surprise took over the pub!!

Derek

Hi Spiral...I'm afraid i have yet`to find anyone who has transcribed the belper records......actually the Duffield records cos belper is in the parish of Duffield.....

Derek

Margaret..just to keep you posted.working my way through your tree....here are the exact dates for the children of Charles and Elizabeth..haven't found their marriage yet..but obviously in her own parish..wherever that may be:

Henry 18.02.1759
Dorothey 27.07.1760
Charles 23.05.1762
John 13.10.1763
George 17.03.1765.....................all at Beeley

Tell me...with a tree as impressive as this.....who the bleedin' 'ell is this Thomas??? do you need him?? lol

Derek

Hi Derek its Mary the 1st. been looking at another branch of my tree I have a Hannah Sale born about 1793 at Horsleywood house Derbyshire could you see if you can find a baptism record for her please you probably wont find a marriage because her husband John Bullock lived in rocester staffs and thats were their children were born.
Many thanks Mary

Hi Derek

I can't find my reply to this, not in my PMs either. Apologies if repeating myself.

Thomas Needham is NOT MINE, so not in my tree. He is the relative of a friend, and I am (a) trying to help him and (b) trying to see if we are related. We are reasonably confident that he married Margaret Hill, Mary Swindell, and Eliza Reece, but the marriage to Eliza names his father as William, butcher. We did not know that when we started on the trail of Thomas born Monyash/Chelmorton, son of Joseph and Mary. But no sign of a Thomas born to William.

Back to my own tree, George Needham b 1765 in Beeley marries Rebecca Drabble in Eyam 1791 but their children are all born in Tideswell. George and siblings are sons of Charles Needham and Elizabeth Bradley, all born Beeley, Charles and Elizabeth married 18 May 1758, Bakewell (IGI). Charles was born Beeley on your birthday, his parents being Charles of Beeley and Sarah Calton, married Bakewell 19 Aug 1729. No reasonable birth for her, and the only reasonable Charles is born 1693, making him 33 at marriage.

Hope this is clearer than mud.

Margaret