General Chat

This government now though contains also people like Cameron,Osborne and Clegg,the very silver spoon brigade who have throughout the years have sought to reign and rule.

At least apart from Blair any others in the Labour government accrued their money from public service not from accident of birth!

Maybe its ok for Cameron etc and not for people from the lower classes!Of course we remember they didn't like Prescott because of their inverted snobbery!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

I can now name the man who was seriously assaulted by Police yesterday.But for prompt action by his mother Alfie Meadows would be dead now.

The Police must remember that they are our servants and not agents of the governmentt.They must never be allowed to behave as if they are above the law.If they are,it will lead to anarchy.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

"Did the police throw flares or Golf balls or smash shop wndows or deface the statue of Winston Churchill or breaking phone boxes and setting fires in streets?"

No, but they were responsible for a 14 year old girl's collar bone being broken and did pull a man out of his wheelchair, I got this information from an eye witness btw. Not to mention they did nothing when said eye witness nearly got trampled.

As this thread appeared to be going a bit political I wrote my thoughts on General.

I feel a bit sorry for the police.

The police are supposed to be professionals who are trained to handle situations like this without assaulting people. There would probably have been less trouble if they hadn't started kettling the students.

"what was he doing there in the first place. ?"

Um, really, I thought that was obvious, at this point.

He was protesting the policies of his government.

He was exercising his human rights, his democratic rights, his fundamental freedoms ...

Was he committing a crime?



For anyone who's interested, the Ontario Ombudsman has just come out with a report on the extreme events at the G20 summit in Toronto this year.

It condemns the actions of the government and police on so many fronts it's hard to remember them all. Secret use of a decades-old law that is now plainly unconstitutional, improper application of that law by police, police violations of the rights of countless individuals ...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/12/07/ombudsman-g20-security-rule-report856.html
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"For the citizens of Toronto, the days up to and including the weekend of the G8/G20 will live in infamy as a time period where martial law set in the city of Toronto, leading to the most massive compromise of civil liberties in Canadian history, and we can never let that happen again," André Marin told reporters.
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The people arrested and detained, without food and water, without lawyers, without medication in some cases, were massively *not* violent protestors. Some were bystanders.

Be careful what you wish for, seriously.

I'm sorry anyone with even a basic level of common sense can see that for one thing to use police horses as if they were in the charge of the light brigade in such a confined space,was crassly irresponsible.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

I don't think the police are perfect but they are just men and women trying to do their jobs and I don't suppose any amount of training can prepare you for the sort of hatred that you can be confronted with in this sort of situtation. I wouldn't want to do their job myself but I do appreciate from all the comments I've read here and heard elsewhere that there are many people who are indeed perfect and should be running the country never mind the police force

Rita: WHO ARE "THEY"???

Were the student dragged out of the wheelchair and the students who were injured doing "carnage"?

Even if someone is "doing carnage", is there some rule in the UK that allows police to beat them half to death?

"I hope that everyone of these students who are caught will be punished."

Aside from the fact that some of them may not be students -- yes, that is how crimes are dealt with in the UK, I believe.

Not by police beating people half to death.


"If you go to these demonstations you must expect to get treated in a Harsher matter than a soft approach."

Who died and made you Queen Elizabeth the 1st, Rita?

WHO SAYS that anybody must expect any such thing?

Why do you hate your freedoms so much, Rita?

Uggers, you don't want the police's job, and that's nice.

Are you expected to abide by the rules of the game in whatever job it is you have, and to be held to account if you aren't?

Our societies grant police extensive powers and protections for performing their duties. They also have obligations to meet in doing that.

I'm not generally a random blamer. Things go wrong, through no fault of anyone, or through someone else's fault. For instance, I have no solution to the problem of what to do about Afghanistan now -- I didn't cause any of the problems there, and I don't really know how to clean up the mess someone else has made. If I were handed the reins of power in that situation, I would really not want to be blamed if things went pear-shaped.

There really are situations in which you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, in which anything you do is likely to make things worse in some way. Police are often in such positions.

But that does not mean that police *never* do things that are clearly wrong, and are *never* to blame when things go wrong.

Where have I said the police never do wrong and are never to blame, Janey?

One thing is for sure Uggers,the people running the country are far from perfect!

Regards
William Russell Jones

I give up, Uggers, why are you asking me that?

You keep forgetting that I don't play your little passive-aggressive tricks!

But maybe you can tell me who these "many people who are indeed perfect and should be running the country never mind the police force" are - ?

Obviously you know, and I just don't.

They sure aren't, William.

I was asking you, Janey, because your "but" in replying to me suggested I had done - otherwise it would have been rather pointless. I thought this was a discussion but as usual you can't resist getting personal. Go and lecture someone who's more likely to be bothered.

Yes Uggers,in the case of Cameron,Osborne and Clegg,this is in spite of their priveliged background and education!

Maybe they will lay the blame listening to this or that focus group or think tank.lol

Maybe they should get some experience of real life and come and live with me on this council estate!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Ah, Uggers, I know you aren't bothered.

That's kind of the entire problem, isn't it?

People who just aren't bothered when they don't ... um ... represent reality accurately.

Can we stop the backbiting now please as getting personal is ruining what was a civilized debate.

ChAoTic
Did you see the Police officer dragged from his horse and trod on by his horse?

I like to see you cope with having bricks thrown at you.

most of our police do a dam good job