General Chat

I know that but its the Maximum,if it gets charged.its up to the Uni,s whether they charge the max. re the degrees, some could be compressed into less,not all but quite a few.**M**.

I did,nt think this would still be going, However, the Students ( So Its Said ) Voted Lib/Dem because of what Clegg said about not increasing Uni charges.As these students are supposedly Intelligent Why did they actually believe what he ( a Politition ) say? He told a really blatent Lie to them and others The Word "IF" Was used, i/e If we win the Election,Knowing full well that the Lib/Dems had,nt a cat in hells chance of winning.They only have the positions they have by Default no other reason.Also the £9.000.is supposed to be the maximum that could be charged,and most Uni,s won,t charge that.**M**,enjoy your arguments,but it won,t make any difference to what happens.

Entering the fray...

Janey has as much right to have an opinion on what goes on here in GB as I have a right to an opinion about what goes on in the rest of the world. In which we all live.

Agree with her on not (and I often don't) - she always presents an evidenced-based argument ....

Back to the issue at hand. I don't doubt what was said, but I'd love to see the evidence that people from "South America, Latvia, and Germany" were apparently all booking tickets to join in the students' protests. Seems a bit of a mottley crew to me.....

Sue x

I'm sorry Uggers as usual the burden is falling on those who least able to carry it.Public Services may well be looked upon by some as,I'm paying more in tax for them..To the old the sick and the vulnerable they are an absolute lifeline.

The rich bankers who caused all the countries problems hardly use any of them.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Aren't we all being asked to foot the bill for an economic crisis we didn't create?

Gwynne I particularly like your comment

"it is profoundly unfair that they are being asked to foot the bill for an economic crisis they did not create"

That is true of the students, it is also true of the elderly man who has just sent me a Christmas card and letter...he has worked all his life, paid taxes all his life... " They have closed two day centres, lunch club and stopped our chiropodists visits"

DC " We're all in this together"...

I wonder if he or any of his close relatives will be struggling alone this Christmas, with no place to go for some support and care and without even the benefit of having someone to see to their feet? I think not. Will the bankers who invested badly and took big bonuses have to drop their standard of living down to that of the average 'Joe Bloggs'? I think not.

And what will be the future for many children of low-income families when the EMA is scrapped next year? Will they be able to stay on in education to actually 'become' students in the first place...fees or no fees.

Gwynne and Rose, I too do not like what I believe to be injustice however, I address my thoughts on such matters in this country to my MP and whatever Minister is reponsible, sign petitions, (too old now to march). Foreign countries, I will register my protests to the Embassies concerned and petition etc.

However I endeavour not to castigate anyone for events taking place in their country with which I do not agree and holding them responsible. I prefer that we each should 'put our own house in order' before calling on others so to do. In case there should be any misunderstanding I am referring to a country - not bricks and mortar.

Yes Ann - it has been widely reported that officials have identified activists from as far away as S. America. As usual activists have done more harm than good and have used the demos to promote anarchy not democracy.

Did anyone read, oh yes William I admit to reading the paper you love to criticize (while not believing slavishly everything I read because I do have a mind of my own), that allegedly, when the students publicized the protests, people (it is suggested anarchists) from as far as South America, Latvia, Germany and other countries were all booking tickets to be in London on that date to join in the 'fun'. This because it was advertised on Facebook and Twitter. The students would do well to find another way to protest, maybe by all using the intelligence and bombarding their MPs with letters of protest.

The Lib Dems naive?!! you're kidding, they knew exactly what they were doing, no doubt about that, to say that they are naive is to suppose that they are all 'Johnny head in airs' which they most certainly are not! their bluff was called it's as simple as that!!! To say the Tories are doing it out dogma is just plain ridiculous! If that is so how do you account for the fact that the opposition were planning exactly the same in a different format? presumably they too would have done it to just for the hell of it!!! I totally agree with the awfulness of Japan and Norway's whaling policy, Faroe Islands as well! China' etc's incomprehensible cruelty to animals, the cruelty of Sharia Law to women, circumcision of young girls, the list is endless.

We'll have to agree to differ, Chris. It certainly seemed to me that you were telling Janey that she shouldn't comment because she doesn't live here. If that's not what you meant then I apologise.

I welcome her comments and contribution to the debate and those of anyone else, wherever they live.

And, as I said, I will never feel restrained from commenting on injustice wherever it happens, I believe it's my right.

Gwynne

I'll say it again quite clearly...if another country, Canada included is doing something I feel to be wrong...I don't want to be silenced just because i don't live there, pay taxes there or have Canadian parents... ( I have a Canadian gt grandmother so I'll count her in ;))

I heartily disagree with the policies of many many countries ( Japan and Norway's whaling for example) I'm sorry but the world is my oyster...not just the uk ...anything that happens in it has some bearing on me as a person. I have to extend the right to comment and even maybe interfere if I want to have that right myself.

I don't have to agree...whether that person is looking 'out' from Bognor Regis...or 'in' from Bolivia... so long as all have taken the time to think about and have some knowledge of the topic. :))

Whilst the Lib Dems may have been very naive the Tories though actually believe in all they are doing not from any thoughts as to the state of the countries finances but from pure dogma.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Gwynne - read my post again - I did not say she had no right to comment, I said I objected to a foreigner endeavouring to interfere in our way of life. Am I not allowed to voice that opinion about my own country, whilst living in my own country? You have never seen me post re my thoughts on the governments of any other countries.

I asked for the same courtesy for my country that I give to Canada and its inhabitants.

Whilst residing in or visiting other countries I have always abided by their laws and customs (whether or not I agreed with them). All I ask is for the same courtesy for my country from foreigners.

Oops, sorry for the confusion, William. I self-edited it to make it clear it wasn't me who said Janey had no right to comment.

Gwynne

Well Gwynne,I do feel left out.lol

I've been aiming plenty of venom at some of these Daily Mail readers and none of my posts have been edited.lol

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Our Canadian friend is saying the exact opposite, I believe.

However, she is being told she has no right to comment because she doesn't live here.

Edit - but not by me.

Gwynne

I do agree with you Guinivere, students were conned by the Lib Dems, that is for certain in order to get their vote, no dispute about that, and if the Lib Dems hadn't found themselves in government they would undoubtedly voted against the 'fees' all of which was hypocritical and very reprehensible! However, that still doesn't give anyone the right to make other peoples lives a misery, peaceful protest YES, lobbying your MP YES, never voting Liberal again YES, but terrifying other people whose fault it is not, causing mayhem and distruction NO, for no other reason apart from the obvious, than it does your cause an enormous amount of harm, a lot of the public who might have been sympathetic ,are now for certain NOT, and will tar ALL students with the same brush as yobbo's and trouble makers! although the majority of them are not. I think the few could have done their cause a lot of harm. I don't actually think that I have missed the point over 'Human Rights' as I understand it, our Canadian friend is suggesting that we in our Liberal societies should not concern ourselves with the Human Rights of people in other countries? I can only presume that it is perfectly OK and nothing to do with any of us more fortunate folk, if people are persecuted,so long as it's by their own countrymen? that being the case, the stoning to death of that unfortunate woman in Iran is none of our business, as is the gaoling of political prisoners, murders rapes, beheadings, all none of our business!! Well, thanks for that we all learn something new every day!

I don't always agree with Janey but she has a perfect right to criticise our government and its policies, just as we have a right to criticise other countries.

Not living in China won't make me keep my mouth shut about the human rights abuses there. I'm also pretty worked up about the imminent execution of a Christian woman in Pakistan for blasphemy against Islam. I won't shut up about that either just because I don't happen to live there.

Gwynne

VERY WELL SAID CHRIS x

Janey, going by your postings on various threads you disagree with everyone, you treat each and every one as a moron and nincompoop who dares to venture a different opinion to your own. You are fond of the word democracy, shame that you do not practise it, you do not appear to like debate/discussion. Our police are trying to keep order in difficult circumstances - that is democracy. Peaceful demos are fine - and are accepted. When violence creeps in we look to our police to protect us.

You accuse me of hatred towards you - in case you are not aware, hatred is an emotion. You flatter yourself - I do not feel any emotion towards you whatsoever. According to you, you are well educated, pity you did not put it to better use than backbiting etc. and laying down the law as seen by Janey. Not interested in you at all but object strongly to a foreigner endeavouring to interfere in our way of life here in the UK. I do not lay down the law as regards to Canada, kindly grant us the same courtesy.