General Chat

I Am an Army brat, Son Navy other members Army and Navy.

Not that I am saying this gives me any more knowledge or rights......just saying hello to other military inclined peeps :-)))

Susan
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I think tory, the main reason for members of the armed forces wanting to be out, is that there are so few.
The reason why there are so few, is that the 'youngsters' have such an easy life, doing something or nothing, so why should they put themselves out - money coming in for strolling around the clubs/pubs/streets/ and in return - sweet naff all !!!!!..
Those men in the forces have had enough
of 'looking' after the afore mentioned, and with very little thanks from Joe public.. No wonder they are leaving - streched to the limits in every country on this earth - not just Iraq and Afhgan... but anywhere this mindless government has a mind to send them.
And when they are all gone ??? I dread to think.. John..

Well i did 2 years National service and it was the best time i ever had, well apart from some occasions. Todays military is a far cry from my days and i am sure they do not want the YOBS that plague our society. These people need to be sorted out with strong discipline and punishment, but I'm afraid in our pussy foot legal system does not allow for this, you immediately get the old cry of "deprived Childhood" and all that rubbish.

Yes i am one of the old brigade and believe in an "eye for an eye " method lets inflict the same pain on them as they dish out.No doubt someone will tell me that doesnt work, but neither does the daft measures that exist today IE Asbo's What crackpot dreamed that one up.

Rant over

George

George you are right it doesnt work but who says so It has not been tried.
and it wont get done because of the PC birgade and the bleeding hearts club that seem to have appeared on this thread

Not ALL youngsters have an easy time I have a 19 year old nephew who drives an ambulance and is training to be a paramedic.
Two of my cousins boys did there stint in Iraq in the Army and every generation of my family have been in the military including my nan in WW1.
If the chips were down we would all still defend our country and as Daff says we are still having an inland war and I lived and worked in central London during the 70's when the IRA were terrorising us........but I still dont believe bringing back the NS would solve our modern day problems.

AND Im neither pc nor bleeding hearts!

On the plus side if we were ever invaded by aliens theres a whole generation who have been training on playstations ready to fight back lol

John I think all other things aside you hit the nail on the head with joe public we have spent to long not suporting or armed services for the job they do .I am from the portsmouth area originally and have had to watch the army go then the marines and the navy is just about holding on they are under paid under staffed and don't get the recognition they deserve .I remember the faulklands well and the local schools were given the day off to see them out and also when they came back that would not happen today

I hope you are not refering to me pablo1513

am not a bleedy heart or PC brigade.....I think I may have pointed out some reasons it may or/would not work but am certainly not from those two brigades you mention.....sorry I haven't agreed with you totally.....I thought it was a debate where one threw in ideas or different points of view.....who knows what the answer is.....but you did ask a question and I take offence at being called names just because my views were not exactly to your liking.

Susan
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update

I don't usually join debates, but this seemed such a civilised one I couldn't help but join in......such a shame you decided to spoil a good thread, and your own at that...... with uncalled for remarks when others disagree.

JUST received a telegram - being called up for my National Service - they asked what service of the armed forces do i want to join - I said WRNS !!!!
"Happy Days Are Here Again", la, la, la, la la, la,,
Lol John

well said susan
lol John all I can say is enjoy :-)))))))))

I don'y see how National Service would work now really. If a young person finished their education and gets a stable job is it really the right thing to do by taking them away from the stable job, where they are paying taxes and contributing to society?
And why should the services be expected to take the yobbish element, which is what most people talk about National Service as being needed for, to spend time and money on people who have no intention of doing the job properly.
The Armed Forces are a professional outfit these days and needs to be staffed by people who want to be there, not by people who are forced to be there.

lol .... I am definitely NOT a bleeding heart nor pc brigade (hands up to a Health and Safety level 3 certificate though, for my sins, lol)

There are some things where I agree, you have a point... but not, for me, for a general NS call-up.

Yobs..detox, then retrain, bootcamp style, NOT within the military structure, BUT within the penal system... that is certainly not a pc stance, wmsl!!

Those youngsters who are not wanting to be in the military, but quietly going about their daily lives and putting something back into the system via their hard earned taxes, their work in our institutional infrastructure... that is JUST as vital to the economy... we NEED the youngsters who are working... like it or lump it, they are paying taxes, their university education is no longer free.... so many of them spend many years paying that back... to put them into NS would take away their income for a couple of years, and deprive the community of their skills and their taxes... puts back when they have cleared those debts... and then voila!! They then have their own kids to put through uni... their parents to pay for in the nursing homes etc!!

Why spend more money via NS re-training those youngsters who have already spent, or are prepared to spend, years of their precious time and money learning and training in a huge variety of skills, anyway??

Love

Daff (whose brain is hurting with all this serious stuff... so is going to love you all and leave you, MWAH!!)

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Lol Sally F... that is what I was trying to say in a nutshell!!

Here here Susan!

It was all going along so nicely and with no personal attacks until then... definitely going to play somewhere else, lol!!

Come with me Daff into the WRNS ...lol. John xx

I have been acussed of a lot of things but never being of the PC brigade lol :-))

Lol John

what makes you think the WRNS wouldn't rip you to shreds.....tough lot them there girls

Susan
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I have to confess it is the first time ever I have been branded with the bleeding heart and PC label, lol

Im quite proud of it and shall wear it with pride :-)

And here was me trying so hard to be nice and pleasant to everyone - quite upset and emotional now.......sob

There there Eldrick!
Have a {{{{{{{{{{{{{hug}}}}}}}}}}}

Oh dear.................is pablo turning on us now we don't agree??

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.runs>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh I suppose I should forgive him really and send him some hugs........ and kick myself for getting het up about nowt important

(((((((Hugs to Pablo))))))


Susan
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~~~~to Mac~~~

Not round his neck Susan!! *tuts*

Anyway...............it would cost a fortune to have National Service for all the youngsters, how much extra tax would we all have to pay?

xx