General Chat

With locally elected Chief contsables Eldrick, will these be given the 'powers' which you have submitted earlier to tackle the problem ? If not, where to next ?

John and Bob does that mean that you would suggest that a Military already stretched to it's limit, personnel wise, would have the job of training, nurturing (please remember the Human Rights Act here as well) and providing shelter, lodgings, wages, food etc etc?

Where would the extra personnel required to provide all the above come from?

Where do you envisage the financial resources coming from? Whose budget? Military? Prison Service? Probation Service? Education?

Our Military is not a police force, prison/probation service... it is a fighting/protective force

And nor should our taxpayers money be spent on what is basically an extra vigorous Duke of Edinburgh/ Outward bound scheme.

I will say one thing though... our military must be very good, cos whenever there is a problem... binmen strike, firemen strike, unruly youngsters, floods and famine...... it is almost the first call that is made

Bring in the Military! lol

Love

Daff xxx

I have to say I would like more info on Eldricks idea .

What would a locally elected Chief constable do Eldrick , anything he wanted to do to bring in order would have to be passed through the numpties at westminster, who would pass it on to Brussels who would again carp on about human rights and then pass it back to the chief constable in a much diluted form.
Yet again the PC brigade will have won the day

God help us

while the PC brigade may take things to far we would be worse off without it .

do me a favour

No extra powers needed - none at all.

If Chief constables had to electioneer - they would have to listen to the local people and then deliver - or they wander off clutching a UB 40 form.

There are more than enough powers to deal with yob behaviour.

Current Chiefs are only interested in a knighthood and maybe getting into the HMI dept. The adversarial system for promotion means that the true problems are ignored and home office targets and priorities are paramount. The wishes and thoughts of local communities are ignored or at best given lip service.

There have never been as many police officers as there are now. So where are they? I'll tell you where - in diversity depts., equal opps depts, racial this that and the other depts, save the whale depts, new intiative to get the assitsnt chief his degree depts, and so on and so forth.

An elected cheif would soon clear them out! And get rid of community beat wardens and other such gimmicks!

Rant over.

Uggers I'm not sugesting that they all go to war. Just give the youngsters another type of education - as i have said, they don't have to fight..

Daff, believe me, it dosen't take that many to train men/women. (Just look at a scool teacher, 30 in a class)..As for shelter, food, wages etc... Isn't that already being done.?
I'm not a 'war monger', I just see things in a different light to others. But, with my hand on my heart, it's the youngsters out there on the streets, and there a millions of them,which is my main concern..
John

John please don't start me on the school system lol
Pablo as I have said I don't agree with all the PC brigade do and say but you do have to have rules its a fact of life .
Eldrick if it could work I would back it coz to be honest round here police are few and far between and as you say we have enough of them .I just rarely see one .

So as I said before...will that mean pulling out the young who are in work to do a stint in the NS ? ...or is this whole thing aimed at the yobs?

No its not aimed at the yobs its aimed at everybody who falls within the age limits.

I've got an idea

make the parents of the yobs do national service maybe they would have more concern about what their kids are doing then.

Well, in this instance John, I think we will have to agree to differ...

My husband was for a while in his 34 year military career sgt/ major training wing... and then went on to be OC Training wing.. whilst still fulfilling active tours of duty in NI, Somalia, Gulf War 1 (twice) Yugoslavia, Kosova and Bosnia in between the trainees courses.

That was a herculean task in itself, and this was with young eager and determined volunteers!

To expect people...professionals... like him to have classes full of reluctant learners doesn't bear thinking about!!


Regards

Daff xxx

edit... he also served in the 2nd Gulf war.. he is a fairly recent leaver, lol

I'ts not that the suggestion isn't a valid one John. Just that there would be more to it than a good suggestion......lots more to consider than I can possibly think of.

You say 'Just look at a scool teacher, 30 in a class.' Not a very good example I am afraid. Aren't the majority having problems with the laws as they stand, with no powers and bureaucracy being the way it is?.

Susan
:-)

in that case lorraine who looks after there children while they do it ?

well my grandad was a reluctant learner as you put it, called up in ww11 served on russian conveys and submarines in the navy

He was an electrician

He said the war was fought by, plumbers, bus drivers , shopkeepers etc. The military could never cope now with another ww like the last one

they are leaving the army in their droves and the youngsters round here see it at a last resort if they can't get a job to join the military.

I spent some time as a military wife myself Daff and agree with what you say :-))

tory

just a joke! but the responsiblity for these yobs actions must lay partly with the parents.

lorraine

Yes with some parents it does Lorraine but there are just as many who try very hard with there children and still the children go bad .some turn round and some don't .

I dont think a world war would be anything like the last one...life has moved on and wars are fought differently.
I also dont see the point in going back 50 years and bringing back NS when todays children are completely different.
Unless you are talking about the rougher element and in that case I dont see why the better kids should be included.