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Hi,

My GG Grandmother was Caroline Colocott (nee Goodall) (Born 1848). I already have a thread on here re the Colocott name but am now turning my attention to the Goodall side (sometimes spelt Goodhall).

In various census, Caroline gives her place of birth as Wavendon or Woburn which seem to be very close together on the Bedfordshire/Buckinghamshire border.

Any information on Goodall’s from that area would be of interest, but so far I have the following:

Caroline’s wedding certificate in 1864 in Lambeth lists her father as George Goodall.

I have found a birth certificate of a Caroline Goodhall in Wavendon from 1848 that lists her parents as George and Susanna Goodhall (formerly Goodhall)

There is a George Goodall marrying a Susanna Goodall (maybe related in some way - hopefully distant!). This was in 1846 in Wavendon and their fathers were both labourers; John (George’s father) and Joseph (Susanna’s father)

I am not sure how Caroline came to be marrying in Lambeth at the age of 16 and wondered if any one could help me find that out what happened to her parents (I can’t find death records for either)

Many Thanks

Looks like George and daughter Caroline were with relatives in 1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ferdinand Place, Saint Pancras, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England


James Goodall Head Married Male 40 1811 Labourer Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Mary Goodall Wife Married Female 40 1811 Chair Woman Buckinghamshire, England
George Goodall Son Unmarried Male 13 1838 Labourer Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Thomas Goodall Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Labourer Harbury, Kent, England
George Ray Lodger Unmarried Male 24 1827 Labourer Nash, Buckinghamshire, England
John Henlet Lodger Unmarried Male 28 1823 Labourer Barnwood, Gloucestershire, England
George Griffin Lodger Unmarried Male 28 1823 Labourer Warwickshire, England
George Goodhall Lodger Married Male 30 1821 Labourer Warndon, Buckinghamshire, England <<<<<<<
Caroline Goodhall Lodger - Female 3 1848 - Warndon, ( or Wavendon?) Buckinghamshire, <<<<<<

Buckinghamshire Baptism Index

First name(s) Caroline
Last name Goodall
Baptism year 1848
Birth year -
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Wavendon
Mother's first name(s) Susanna
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Goodall
Document type Parish registers
Page 68
Baptism date 30 Apr 1848
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Wavendon
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1813-1859
Archive reference PR220/1/5
Archive
Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies

Just for ref

Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)

Goodall George Newport P 6 748
Goodall Susanna Newport Pagnell 6 748
Goodall Susannah Newport Pagnell 6 748

EDITED post this is NOT the right one, the birth in belper, there were 2 other children born sadly died as babies

GOODALL, CAROLINE GOODALL
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 19 Page 535

caroline could have been working in lambeth in thoe days girls went away for home at a young age

Event Place:
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom
Gender:
Male
Age:
20
Age:
20
Birth Year (Estimated):
1817-1821
Birthplace:
Buckinghamshire
Registration District:
Newport Pagnell
Parish:
Wavendon
County:
Buckinghamshire
Page Number:
15
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
59/10
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Hillyer Male 45 Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth Hillyer Female 50
Emely Hillyer Female 17 Buckinghamshire
Ann Hillyer Female 15 Buckinghamshire
George Hillyer Male 11 Buckinghamshire
Fanny Hillyer Female 6 Buckinghamshire
Richard Tebby Male 40
George Goodall Male 20 Buckinghamshire

could george have gone to america

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George Goodall
United States Census, 1860

Name:
George Goodall
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1860
Event Place:
2d District 2nd Ward Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Gender:
Male
Age:
39
Race:
White
Birth Year (Estimated):
1821
Birthplace:
England
Page:
109
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Goodall Male 39 England
Matilda Goodall Female 38 England
George Goodall Male 13 New York
Alfred Goodall Male 12 New York
Henry Goodall Male 10 New York
Emma Goodall Female 7 New York

It looks like George 'may' have been transported for sheep stealing ??

Name: George Goodhall
Date of Trial: 27 Jun 1853
Trial Year: 1853
Location of Trial: Buckinghamshire, England
Sentence: Transportation
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image


I think both of these relate to the same incident:

George Goodhall, a labourer, of Wavendon, was brought before J. C. Maul, Esq., on the 6th instant, charged with sheep stealing. It appeared.....
16 April 1853 - Bucks Herald - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Sent for trial.....


George Goodhall, stealing one ram sheep, at Bow Brickhill, the property of Matthew Willison at.....
25 June 1853 - Bucks Herald - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, Englan
Transported - 7 years !!!!!!!!

Dea x

Looks like this could also be him?

Gaol Record Detail For: George Goodall
Record ID: 9379
Commital Year: 1850
Reference Doc: BLARS QGV10/3
ID in Reference Doc: 507
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Height: 5 feet 7 inches
Hair Colour: Light Brown
Eye Colour: Blue
Complexion: Fresh
Visage: Round
Identifying Features: Impediment in his speech talks very thick
Occupation: Labourer
Education: Neither
Marital Status: Married
Children: 1
Birth Town: Wavenden
Birth County: Buckinghamshire
Residence(town/village): Holcot
Residence(county): Northamptonshire
Offence: On 28th April 1850 at Holcott assaulting and beating James Terry
Committed By: W.Lynn Smart Esquire and Rev.J.V.Moore
When Committed: 03/05/1850
Trial Type: Summarily Convicted
Type of Gaol: Bedford County Gaol
Sentence: 21 Days imprisonment Gaol or pay 20 shillings fine 25 shillings costs
Discharge Date: 23/05/1850

Dea x

The Belper births are a different family, i.e. this one:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Catley Well, Belper, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Goodall Head Married Male 41 1810 Night Watch Lea, Derbyshire, England
Maria Goodall Wife Married Female 34 1817 Domestic Duties Holloway, Derbyshire, England
Sarah A Goodall Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Lea, Derbyshire, England
Rose E Goodall Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Lea, Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Goodall Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Lea, Derbyshire, England
Caroline Goodall Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Lea, Derbyshire, England



Marriages Dec 1839 (>99%)
GOODALL Maria Chesterfield 19 439 Scan available - click to view
GOODALL Thomas Chesterfield 19 439 Scan available - click to view

This is NOT the family we are following !!!
Dea x

Thanks Dea will edit the other so as not to confuse,

GOODHALL, CAROLINE GOODHALL
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNELL UNION Volume 06 Page 387

Hi, Thanks for all the replies!

I have that 1848 Newport Pagnell birth certificate and believe that is her. Father: George, Mother: Sussana

I had seen the assault conviction but not the sheep stealing. Maybe he was transported. Presumably that means Australia. I wonder if there are records that can trace his passage? I doubt if many returned to England afterwards.

I hadn't picked up that 1851 census putting her with relatives in London. I wonder where the mother has gone by then? She seems to disappear after the birth but I can't find a death that fits.

Also, it would be unusual to be an only child in those days but can only find one other possible sibling, Charles George Goodhall Born 1853. There is an 1861 census with that name born in "Walberton Buckinghamshire" which doesn't exist. Could be him but no other evidence.

I would be surprised if that is him in New York but might be worth looking at more if I can't find him in UK or transported.

That is likely to be him in the 1841 census though. I he a servant then or just a lodger?

conviction 1853
from bucks co jail to wallbank prison aug 1853
7th oct to pentonville prison
sep 1854 to portsmouth prison
discharge on lic 1856 -------------------
uncle francis goodhall leighton buzzard

scar on left thigh
lost forefinger right hand
congenital deficiency of soft palate

George
Last name Goodhall
Age 28
Birth year 1825
Year 1853
Date ? ? 1853
Place -
Series PCOM3
Source Home Office And Prison Commission: Male Licences
Piece number 55
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison Registers
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

George
Last name Goodhall
Age 28
Birth year 1825
Occupation Labr
Year 1853
Date 27 Jun 1853
Crime Steal
Sentence duration 7
Place Portsmouth
Court Aylesbury
County -
Source Pentonville Prison Registers. Volume 1
Series HO24
Piece number 16
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison Registers
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Charles' baptism


First name(s) Charles
Last name Goodall
Baptism year 1853
Birth year -
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Wavendon
Mother's first name(s) Susanna
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Goodall
Document type Parish registers
Page 82
Baptism date 27 Mar 1853
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Wavendon
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1813-1859
Archive reference PR220/1/5
Archive
Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies
Record set Buckinghamshire Baptism Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

uncle francis
1851

Frances Goodhall Head Married Male 52 1799 Bricklayer Journeyman Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Ann Goodhall Wife Married Female 51 1800 - Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Goodhall Daughter Unmarried Female 28 1823 Dress Maker Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Mary Harris Daughter Married Female 26 1825 Bonnet Sewer Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
James Goodhall Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Bricklayer Journeyman Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Joseph Harris Son-In-Law Married Male 21 1830 Rail Rd Porter Bedfordshire, England
Lydia Goodhall Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 Dress Maker Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Henry Goodhall Son - Male 14 1837 Errand Boy Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Emily Goodhall Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Linslade, Buckinghamshire, England
Heath Road, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, England

Francis
Last name Goodale
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1796
Baptism date 22 May 1796
Place Wavendon
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Goodale
Mother's first name(s) Ann

Just putting this here for consideration? though the age is out.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
West Court Down, Nonington, Eastry, Kent, England

George Goodhall Head Widower Male 50 1811 Railway Labourer Wolverton, Buckinghamshire, England
Charles Goodhall Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Wolverton, Buckinghamshire, England

Name: Susanna Goodale
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 May 1829
Christening Date (Original): 10 MAY 1829
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Joseph Goodale
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00824-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88487

looks correct Rambling

George
Sex Male
Last name Goodall
Marriage year 1846
Birth year 1819
Spouse's first name(s) Susanna
Spouse's last name Goodall
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Wavendon

Charles
Last name Goodall
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1853
Baptism date 27 Mar 1853
Place Wavendon
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Goodall
Mother's first name(s) Susanna

????
Though if this is her, I don't see her in 1861 or 1871 censuses.

Susan Goodall
in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003
Name: Susan Goodall
Age: 42
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1829
Death Date: abt 1871
Burial Date: 5 Jun 1871
Burial Place: St John, Battersea, Wandsworth, England
Register Type: Parish Register

Abode: 6 Benham Street, Plough Lane, Battersea