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GEORGE
Last name GOODHALL
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1819
Age 50
Death quarter 2
Death year 1869
District St. George Southwark
County London
Volume 1D
Page 116

Don't know if this is connected or not. Don't have time to look at the moment, but dates/ places for Caroline and Susan seem to fit:

1861:
Name: Susan M Murden
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Saville Murden
Gender: Female
Where born: Wavedon, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Ann
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 259
Piece: 2459 Folio: 128 Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Saville Murden 44
Susan M Murden 32 Wavedon, Buckinghamshire
Samuel Murden 2
Caroline Goodwon 13 Wobern Sands, Bedfordshire

Caroline listed as 'Niece'- but wondered about name after seeing this burial for a Susanna:

Murden Or Goodall Susanna 1829 — 1875
Buckinghamshire Burial Index
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
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Birth for samuel:
MURDEN, SAMUEL ORLANDO (mother's maiden name: GOODWIN)
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 261

possible baptism?
Name: Samuel Orlando Murden
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1858
Baptism Date: 15 May 1864
Baptism Place: St. Thomas', Newport, Hampshire, England
Father: Samuel Murden
Mother: Susan Maria

Might not be connected, will look later

Susanna Murden
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Susanna Murden
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 4351

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Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%)
GOODWIN Susan Maria Medway 2a 315
MURDEN Samuel Medway 2a 315


Samuel Murden
in the Kent, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1914
Name: Samuel Murden
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: 1817
Marriage Date: 19 Feb 1855
Marriage Place: Chatham, St Mary, Kent, England
Father: William Murden
Spouse: Susan Maria Goodwin

Susan's father: JOSEPH Goodwin

Think this is the marriage of the couple in the 1861 census- Susan still listed as Goodwin, so I might be barking up the wrong tree:

Name: Samuel Murden
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a Page: 315
Mary Ann Goodwin
Susan Maria Goodwin<<<<<<<<<<<
James Griffiths
Samuel Murden <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

And a later marriage:

Susan Maria Murden
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Susan Maria Murden
[Susan Maria Goodwin]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widowed
Marriage Date: 27 Apr 1863
Marriage Place: Newport, Hampshire, England
Father: Joseph Goodwin
Spouse: Charles Baker
FHL Film Number: 1470881


Deaths Sep 1861 (>99%)
Murden Samuel Nottingham 7b 128


So either this is not the Susanna who died in Newport Pagnell reg district in 1875, or she reverted to her previous married name.

Oh- confused now, I was looking at this marriage??

Name: Susan Maria Murden (Widow, Birkenhead)
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 44
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1829
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1873
Marriage Place: All Saints, Battle Bridge, Islington, England
Father: Joseph goodwin
Spouse: Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
Register Type: Parish Register

Goodness, what did she do to her husbands!?

Oh AG!! Made me chuckle.

I really have to go out now. Sorry if this has confused things. I promise to have a look further in the morning if it hasn't been totally discounted.

Many Thanks to All! Some fantastic leads to work on.

The George Goodhall who was transported was released on licence in 1856. Could he have come back to the UK in time to be the same one on the 1861 census in Kent that Rambling mentioned? It’s probably unlikely I think. Any suggestions of places to look into that?

If it is him then it would have left Susannah with newly born son Charles when he left in 1853. Does anyone know if families followed convicts when they were transported?

That Christening record for Susanna Goodale in 1829 looks likely to be her. If so, it gives her Mothers name as Mary which is great.

The 1869 death of George Goodhall in Southwark that Maddie found is also a real possibility as his daughter Caroline was living in that area with her husband.

The Murden Or Goodall Susanna 1829 — 1875 burial in Wavendon definitely looks like a lead.

I have also found a 16 year old servant in Wavendon in 1861 called Caroling Goodall. I assume that is my GG Grandmother:
Household Members:
Frances Heighington
Sarah Heighington
William Heighington
Lousia Heighington
Louisa Hillhouse
Mary Hillhouse
Thomas Hillhouse
Caraling Goodhall
Anne Gardner

Going on age, I don't think that Caroline with the Heighington family is the correct one. I think that Caroline is likely the daughter of this couple:

Buckinghamshire Baptism Index
name(s) Caroline Goodall
Baptism year 1845
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Place Wavendon
Mother's first name(s) Paulina
Father's name(s) Joseph Goodall
Document type Parish register
Baptism date 16 Nov 1845
Father's occupation Labour
Residence Wavendon
Register type Baptisms
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wavendon, Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England

Joseph Goodhall Head Married Male 54 1797 Labor Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Paullna Goodhall Wife Married Female 46 1805 Lace Maker Salford, Bedfordshire, England
John Goodhall Son Single Male 20 1831 Labor Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Sheba Goodhall Daughter Single Female 9 1842 Lacemaker Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Caroline Goodhall Daughter Single Female 5 1846 Schollar Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Jane Goodhall Daughter Single Female 3 1848 Schollar Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
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clive, i don't think george was deported but was just released after serving 3 years there are no records of his deportation, but i could be wong

I keep coming back to the Susan Maria Goodwin- I'm wondering if her slight shift in name was because her husband was still living:

Susan married Samuel Murden in 1855 in Kent. She lists her father as JOSEPH Goodwin.

Susan and Samuel have at least 3 children:

Fanny Murden 1857- she died the same year
Samuel Orlando Murden 1859 Nottingham (baptised in Hampshire)
Frederick Murden 1861 Nottingham

This is her in 1861- I'm thinking the niece, Caroline is actually her daughter- her son Charles was living with his father in Kent in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Caroline Street, St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Saville Murden Head Married Male 44 1817 Pensioner Plumtree, Nottinghamshire,
Susan M Murden Wife Married Female 32 1829 Dressmaker Wavendon, Buckinghamshire,
Samuel Murden Son - Male 2 1859 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
Caroline Goodwin Niece - Female 13 1848 Hose Mender Woburn Sands, Bedfordshire,
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Husband, Samuel Murden died later in 1861.

Susan then marries Charles Baker in 1863 Hampshire. (she lists her father as Joseph Goodwin)
They have at least one daughter born 1866- Selina Agnes Baker. Selina died 1867 Carisbrooke. There is a mention in the paper, but she is just listed as daughter of Charles Baker.
Charles Baker died Carisbrooke in 1868.

I cannot find Susan (or son, Frederick Murden) in 1871
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It then seems Susan marries again in 1873 Islington (under Murden surname) to Kenneth Edward Mackenzie. She lists her father as Joseph Goodwin, and her address as Birkenhead (very close to where her daughter, Caroline, is living).

Shortly after her marriage it looks like Susan returned to Buckinghamshire. Her son, Frederick Murden dies in 1873 Newport Pagnell.

And then there is the listing of a burial for Susanna Goodall or Murden born c1829 in 1875 Wavendon (death was listed under Murden Surname).
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I'm still working on this- just wanted to get it down.

Susanna does seem to have been a bit of a flighty piece.

This may be her in 1851 (apologies if already posted) , claiming to be unmarried, while George is with Caroline elsewhere.


Susan Goodhall
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Susan Goodhall
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 1492
Folio: 32
Page Number: 5

So she and George may have already separated.

Very possible AG-

however, if we have the correct man, George Goodhall was with their son (Charles Goodhall b1853) in 1861- meaning they must have got together at some point. I doubt that George would care for a son that wasn't his.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
West Court Down, Nonington, Eastry, Kent, England

George Goodhall Head Widower Male 50 1811 Railway Labourer Wolverton, Buckinghamshire
Charles Goodhall Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Wolverton, Buckinghamshire

True.
Perhaps she had to claim to be unmarried to get the job.

Or maybe they were "on a break" in 1851!

tried to trace charles after 1861 but can fing nothing on him
caolines marriage states her father george was a farmer, doesnt say deceased

AustinQ - that does sound like it might be possible! Susanna would have needed someone to support her and the children whilst George was in prison I suppose. Pretending her maiden name was Goodwin suggests she may not have divorced first…

I was wondering how her daughter Caroline, the 16 year old daughter of a labourer (farm labourer rather than farmer I think) married a Solicitor's clerk (son of a relatively succesful wheelwright business owner). The marriage certificate only has one address as residence at time of marriage. Maybe she was the servant?

Any idea what happened to the final husband? Odd that Susanna ended up back Wavendon having lived away for 20 years…

Many Thanks

The marriage again, to ;show his age.
He was an attendant at the British Museum.

Kenneth Edward Mackingie
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Kenneth Edward Mackingie
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 49
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1824
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1873
Marriage Place: All Saints, Battle Bridge, Islington, England
Father: Kenneth Edward Mackingie
Spouse: Susan Maria Murden
Register Type: Parish Register





Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 104


(See probate in a later post.)

His earlier marriage (he was a widower when he married Susan):

Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1824
Marriage Date: 15 Jun 1863
Marriage Place: St Andrew, Barnsbury, Islington, England
Father: Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
Spouse: Eliza Martin Cross
Register Type: Parish Register

He was a clerk.
Eliza was a widow. Father's name Martin Coppard, grocer.


Deaths Mar 1867 (>99%)
Mackenzie Eliza Martin 42 Pancras 1b 148