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Kenneth E Mackenzie
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Kenneth E Mackenzie
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: 1823
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 412
Piece: 114
Folio: 102
Page Number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
Kenneth E Mackenzie 38 - attendant, book dept, British Museum

Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Kenneth Edward Mackenzie
Death Date: 27 Apr 1881
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 19 May 1881

Personal estate under £400.
The Will of Kenneth Edward McKenzie late of 43 Allcroft Road, Kentish Town in the county of Middlesex, who died 27 April 1881 at 43 Allcroft Road was proved at the
Principal Registry by Philip James Williams of 8 Great Ormond Street in the said county, Attendant at the British Museum, sole Executor.

Kenneth in 1881, with son from his Marriage to Eliza:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

43, Allcroft Road, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England
K E Mc Kenzie Head Widower Male 58 1823 Pensioner Liverpool, Lancashire,
G Mc Kenzie Son Single Male 17 1864 Grocers Assistant London, Middlesex,

I still can't find Susan and son Frederick in 1871

Oh- found them:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Bassett Street, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

Charles Jacobs Head - Male 28 1843 - Middlesex, England
Jane Jacobs Wife - Female 30 1841 - Sussex, England
Emma J Jacobs Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Middlesex,
Louisa M Jacobs Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Middlesex,
Ada M Jacobs Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Middlesex, England
Caroline Jacobs Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Middlesex,
Susannah M Murdin Head - Female 36 1835 - Buckinghamshire,
Frederick Murdin Son - Male 9 1862 - Isle of Wight, Hampshire
Matilda E Murdin Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Isle of Wight, Hampshire,
David Anderson Boarder - Male 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
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And showing another child- Matilda was daughter of Charles Baker:

BAKER, MATILDA HENRIETTA (mmn: MURDEN)
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in ISLE OF WIGHT Volume 02B Page 501

daughter's baptism:
First name(s) Henrietta Matilda
Last name Baker
Gender Female
Birth year 1864
Baptism date 15 May 1864
Residence Newport, Hampshire, England
Place Newport
County Hampshire
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Baker
Mother's first name(s) Susan Maria

Not sure if this is the right Matilda- but given that she was living in London in 1871 she may have thought she was born there?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

7, Berkley Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
William Braithwaite Head Married Male 50 1831 Accountant Garstang, Lancashire
Laura C Braithwaite Wife Married Female 45 1836 - United States
Annie Braithwaite Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Pupil Teacher Lancashire
Thomas Braithwaite Son Single Male 16 1865 Apprentice To Marine Engineer Seaman Liverpool, Lanc
Mary A Braithwaite Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah L Braithwaite Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
Mary A C Haigh Visitor Widow Female 55 1826 Annuitant Hitchin, Hertfordshire,
Matilda Murden Servant Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Servant London, Middlesex,
Sarah M Law Boarder Single Female 30 1851 Governess Prof London, Middlesex,
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Possible marriage (no father listed for Matilda):

Name: Matilda Marden
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1865
Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1892
Marriage Place: St. Paul'S, Tipton, Stafford, England
Spouse: Stephen Southwick
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

17, Foundry Street Moseley, Bilston, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Stephen Southwick Head Married Male 34 1867 Furnace Stoker Tube Wks Hanley, Staff
Matilda Southwick Wife Married Female 35 1866 - London, Middlesex, England
William Southwick Son Single Male 8 1893 - Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Stephen Southwick Son Single Male 7 1894 - Bilston, Staffordshire, England
David Southwick Son Single Male 4 1897 - Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Arthur Southwick Son - Male 1 1900 - Bilston, Staffordshire, England
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Birth of child showing maiden name as Murden (not marden):

SOUTHWICK, STEPHEN MURDEN
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 646

Still looking for son Charles George Goodhall b1853 after 1861

Birth:
GOODHALL, CHARLES GEORGE (mother's maiden name: GOODHALL)
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNELL UNION Volume 03A Page 443

Wondered about this Charles:

1911 Census For England & Wales
29 Sophia Road Custom House, West Ham, London & Essex, England

Charles Goodall Head Married Male 59 1852 Dock Labour Buckinghamshire
Jane Goodall Wife Married Female 59 1852 - Wales

No children, married 11 years.

The original 1911 is a little messy- originally it had just Buckinghamshire and Wales for place of birth but it looks like Chesham and Swansea have been added. Looking at previous census Jane was actually born Anglesey, so it's possible that Chesham is wrong too.
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Marriage: Transcription

Name: Charles Goodall
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 48
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1852
Marriage Date: 26 Aug 1900
Marriage Place: Victoria Docks, St Luke, Essex, England
Father: George Goodall
Spouse: Jane Kirkham
Spouse father: John Hughes
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Cant see them in 1901

Thanks once again. Quite a lot to digest!

Murden Or Goodall Susanna 1829 — 1875
Buckinghamshire Burial Index
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England

What is the Buckinghamshire Burial Index? Is this off a gravestone or church records?

Any idea which church she would be buried at?

I will probably order the death certificate for the Susanna Murden who died in 1875 to see if that gives any more clues. This would presumably just give her surname at death though.

The transcription of the burial is is from the parish registers which are held at the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies. You could make an enquiry to see if they can help:
https://www.buckscc.gov.uk/services/culture-and-leisure/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/

First name(s) Susanna
Last name Murden Or Goodall
Age 46
Birth year 1829
Death year -
Burial year 1875
Burial date 19 Jan 1875
Place Wavendon
Denomination Anglican
Residence Wavendon
County Buckinghamshire
Document type Parish registers
Register type Burials
Register year range 1869-1881
Archive reference PR220/1/14
Page 8
Archive: Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies
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I presume the parish church would be St Mary's at Wavendon, but hopefully the Centre could confirm that for you.

Thanks AustinQ. I have sent them an email.

The earlier prison record for George Goodall posted by Maddie says that he was transferred from bucks co jail to wallbank prison aug 1853. Does anyone know where Wallbank Prison was? I can't find any reference to it on the internet.

I can't see the record that Maddie posted but I suspect it was a transcription error.

In August 1853 he was received at MILLBANK Prison, Middlesex, (from Aylesbury).

Millbank Prison, Middlesex: Register Of Prisoners

Name: George Goodhall
Age 28
Married, 2 children
Laborer
Convicted: June 1853 at Aylesbury sessions
Crime: Killing a sheep with intent to steal part of the carcas
Sentence: 7 years
Received: 24th August 1853 from Aylesbury
Previous convictions: Nil
Remarks: Wife, Wavendon, Bucks
Religion: Church of England
Removed to Pentonville Prison 7th October 1853
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EDIT: I found the record Maddie posted- it was Millbank Prison. From Millbank he went to Pentonville and then to Portsmouth where he was discharged on license 2nd July 1856.

Apologies if these have already been posted, but wondered about these census for George- with a 'wife- Bridget', and a later 'wife'- Elizabeth:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Elder Place, Brighton, Sussex, England

George Goodhall Head - Male 45 1826 - Buckinghamshire, England
Bridget Goodhall Wife - Female 40 1831 - Buckinghamshire, England
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45, Elder Street, Brighton, Sussex, England

George Goodall Head Married Male 48 1833 General Laborer Wavington, Buckingham
Elizabeth Ann Goodall Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Cornwall, England
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Viaduct Road, Brighton, Sussex, England

George Goodall Head Married Male 64 1827 Agricultural Labourer Buckinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Goodall Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Cornwall, England
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Death:
First name(s) GEORGE
Last name GOODALL
Gender Male
Birth year 1829
Age 67
Death quarter 2
Death year 1896
District Brighton
County Sussex
Volume 2B Page 149
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I'm short on time, but will have another look at this later

His birth year does seem to vary wildly in the various records.

But that George in Brighton could be this one:

Name: George Goodale
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Dec 1833
Christening Date (Original): 08 DEC 1833
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Goodale
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00824-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88487


I think we've been assuming that "our" George was this one:

Name: George Goodall
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Aug 1819
Christening Date (Original): 29 AUG 1819
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Goodall
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00824-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88487

All the different spellings don't help, either!

???

Elizabeth A Goodall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elizabeth A Goodall
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1855
Registration Date: Jan 1920
[Feb 1920]
[Mar 1920]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Steyning
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 341


???
Elizabeth Goodall
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Goodall
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bodmin, Cornwall
Civil Parish: Preston
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 9 Stanley Road Preston Brighton Sussex
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Cook
Registration district: Steyning
Registration District Number: 80
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 466
Piece: 5165
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Goodall 57
Frederick Eldridge 58 - boarder
Caroline Stevens 90 - boarder
Mary Barclay 67 - boarder
James Wilson 57 - boarder

Hi, Yes, "our" George Goodall is most likely this one:

Name: George Goodall
Christening Date: 29 Aug 1819
Christening Date (Original): 29 AUG 1819
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Goodall
Mother's Name: Sarah

His marriage certificate to Susanna Goodall in 1846 gives his age as 27 and his Father as John Goodall (Labourer).

The Brighton George does seem to be a bit younger.

There are quite a lot of George Goodall/Goodhalls out there and it seems more than one from Wavendon...

I have found an article in the Northampton Mercury from Jan 1863 that a George Goodhall was committed to Bedford Gaol for 3 months for stealing a lock value 10s at Luton. This could be him given his previous form.

In a Feb 1869 article, George Goodhall, Timber Dealer of Woburn Sands was cleared of punching a Wm Griffin who was fighting Goodhall's brother.

The Timber Dealer bit may be a clue. The London Gazzette lists a John Goodall and Frederick Goodall of Woburn Sands in the Parish of wavendon trading as J & F Goodall Timber Merchants in 1891 and an article in 1870 where a John Goodhall, timber dealer from Aspley Guise (adjoins Woburn Sands/Wavendon) is sued for money owed for carting timber. This might be the link between the Goodalls of Wavendon and the Colocott family, Wheelwrights in Southwark. They had a coach wheel making factory (presumably made from wood). George and Susanna's daughter Caroline married James Colocott.

In May 1872, there is a George Goodhall mentioned as a witness in a Foot & Mouth disease case in Woburn mentioned in the Luton Herald & Dunstable Times. Also possible.

Not sure if any of these are the right George but are likely to be related somehow I think. Any help in trying to untangle all this is much appreciated!

Hello Clive, I think the 1819 baptism is correct but the prison records (for sheep stealing) list George as born 1825- so not too far out from the census records I posted.

AG- the George christened in Dec 1833 died in 1836, so the census I posted are not for that George:

Burial:
First name(s) George
Last name Goodall
Age 2
Birth year 1834
Burial date 24 Jan 1836
Place Wavendon
Denomination Anglican
Residence Wavendon
Relative's relationship Son of
Relative's name Willam & Sarah Goodall
County Buckinghamshire
Document type Bishop's transcripts
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The timber merchant mentioned in several articles is not your George- this is him in 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Duke Street, Aspley Guise, Woburn, Bedfordshire, England

George Goodall Head Male 27 1844 Timber Merchant Woburn Sands, Bedfordshire
Annie Goodall Wife - Female 26 1845 - Bedfordshire,
William Goodall Son - Male 7 1864 - Buckinghamshire,
Eliza Goodall Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Buckinghamshire,
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The George Goodhall convicted of stealing a lock in 1863 is also not the correct George- he was recorded as born 1831 with no previous convictions:
http://apps.bedford.gov.uk/grd/detail.aspx?id=24653

Thanks AustinQ,

The birth dates do seem to vary a lot. It is going to be very hard to prove which one he is....

You are also right about the timber merchants. I think they are the Goodalls that are mentioned in the following:

http://www.mkheritage.org.uk/wsc/pubs-inns/royal-oak-aspley-heath/

The locality suggests that they may have been related to my Goodalls somehow but not in the immediate family.

Hi,

I have now received the death certificate for Susanna Murden in Wavendon in 1875
It says that she was the widow of Samuel Murden , a private soldier in the 45th regiment.Present at her death was Caroline Jennings (sister).

I am assuming this is the same Susanna:

Murden Or Goodall Susanna 1829 — 1875
Buckinghamshire Burial Index
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England

I can see children with the Jennings surname and Goodall as mothers maiden name being born in Derby in the 1840's/50's but nothing from Wavendon.

Could this still be the same Susanna that married George Goodall in 1846?

??? any connection??

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
GOODALL Caroline Newport P. 3a 759
JENNINGS William Newport P 3a 759

Dea x

Samuel Murden is listed as a Pensioner in 1861, which means he had been a soldier.

And it looks as if the son Samuel Orlando (1858) followed him into the same regiment:



Samuel O Murden
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Samuel O Murden
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Boy
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newport
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Military Asylums for Children of Soldiers of the Regular Army
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 78
Folio: 89
Page Number: 18


Samuel Murden
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Samuel Murden
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Gender: Male
Where born: Albion, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: "45th Reg Sherwood Foresters" Perm Barracks
Occupation: Private
Registration district: Farnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 45th Regiment Sherwood Foresters <<<<<<<<<<
Neighbors:
Piece: 785
Folio: 12
Page Number: 18