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Hi Clive,

I had the same thought as you when I looked at the marriages- thinking that perhaps Mary Ann Goodwin was related.

However, I don't see any connection and wonder if Susanna simply took rthe surname of Mary Ann to cover her already married status:

Name: Mary Ann Goodwin
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1833
Marriage Date: 19 Feb 1855
Marriage Place: Chatham, St Mary, Kent, England
Father: Joseph Goodwin
Spouse: James Griffiths
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Mary Ann in 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Higgins Yard, Chatham, Medway, Kent, England
Joseph Goodwin Head Married Male 50 1801 Bricklayer Sheerness, Kent,
Eliza Goodwin Wife Married Female 50 1801 - Sheerness, Kent,
Mary Ann Goodwin Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Chatham, Kent,
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Mary Ann with husband in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
16, Hope Street, Minster, Sheppey, Kent, England
James Griffiths Head Married Male 29 1832 Shipwrights Sheerness, Kent,
Mary A Griffiths Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Chatham, Kent,
Eliza A Griffiths Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Sheerness, Kent,
James G Griffiths Son - Male 2 1859 - Sheerness, Kent,
Louisa R Griffiths Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Sheerness, Kent,

Also, the witnesses to the marriage of Susanna Goodall to George Goodall in Wavendon in 1846 were David Billington or Willington and Mary Cook.

The Cook/ Cooke name is definitely linked somehow...

Thanks All.

I wonder if some of them may be using their middle names on census and official name on birth, marriage death?

Austin Q previously posted the following as probable marriage of Susanna to Samuel Murden in Chatham ( an army town I believe):

Name: Samuel Murden
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a Page: 315
Mary Ann Goodwin
Susan Maria Goodwin<<<<<<<<<<<
James Griffiths
Samuel Murden <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Who would Mary Ann be? A witness? If so, probably another sister?

Has anyone seen a Mary Ann Goodall with a sister Caroline anywhere?

Also, is the middle name a clue also?

Probably Susan(na) in 1851 - apologies if already posted:

Susan Goodhall
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Susan Goodhall
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 1492
Folio: 32
Page Number: 5

I can't see her in 1841 so far.

I agree with your last post, AQ, though hadn't delved as far as you have.

It could well be that "Mary" is a mistake on either Susanna's birth record, or the transcription.

I think the death for Susanna Murden is the lady that married George Goodhall.

If Caroline lists herself as Susanna's sister, I think there must be some family connection. I also think it likely that they were both born to the same Joseph.

It's a shame I can't see an original of Susanna's baptism. I cannot see a marriage between a Joseph Goodhall and Mary that would fit. I also don't see any other baptism in Wavendon with father Joseph and mother Mary.
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There are a few oddities within the family. This is them in 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Church End, Wavendon, Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England

Joseph Goodall Male 35 1806 Buckinghamshire, England
Paulliner Goodall Female 33 1808 Buckinghamshire, England
John Goodall Male 8 1833 Buckinghamshire, England
Sarah Goodall Female 3 1838 Buckinghamshire, England
Thomas Goodall Male 1 1840 Buckinghamshire, England

Births:
GOODHALL, SARAH COOKE
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNELL UNION Volume 06 Page 275
(likey death for this Sarah in 1845 aged 8)

GOODHALL, THOMAS COOKE
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNEL UNION Volume 06 Page 389
(likely death for Thomas in 1845 aged 5)
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There is no Susanna with them in 1841- although she could've been in service or living with a relative.

Same family in 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wavendon, Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England

Joseph Goodhall Head Married Male 54 1797 Labor Wavendon, Buckingham
Paullna Goodhall Wife Married Female 46 1805 Lace Maker Salford, Bedfordshire,
John Goodhall Son Single Male 20 1831 Labor Wavendon, Buckingham
Sheba Goodhall Daughter Single Female 9 1842 Lacemaker Wavendon, Buckingham
Caroline Goodhall Daughter Single Female 5 1846 Schollar Wavendon, Buckingham
Jane Goodhall Daughter Single Female 3 1848 Schollar Wavendon, Buckingham

Births:
GOODHALL, SHABIE COOKE
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNEL UNION Volume 06 Page 356

GOODHALL, JANE COOKE
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNELL UNION Volume 06 Page 379
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Now- there are these births:

GOODHALL, SARAH COOKE
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNELL UNION Volume 06 Page 350

GOODHALL, CAROLINE (no mother;s maiden name listed)
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNEL UNION Volume 06 Page 367
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I see a baptism for Caroline, but not for Sarah?

But there is this possible child Sarah, in the union workhouse

Name: Sarah Goodhall
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Newport Pagnell
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub-registration district: Fenny Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: Newport Pagnell Union Workhouse

Re Caroline and William Jennings:

Caroline Jennings
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Caroline Jennings
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William Jennings
Gender: Female
Where born: Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Wavendon
Town: Wavendon
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub-registration district: Fenny Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 1418
Folio: 146
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jennings 28
Caroline Jennings 25
George F Jennings 2
Sarah J Jennings

???

Name: Caroline Goodall
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Nov 1845
Christening Date (Original): 16 NOV 1845
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Joseph Goodall
Mother's Name: Pauline



Caroline Goodhall
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Caroline Goodhall
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Goodhall
Mother's name: Paullua Goodhall
Gender: Female
Where born: Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Wavendon
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub-registration district: Fenny Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12a
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 1723
Folio: 203
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Goodhall 54
Paullua Goodhall 46 - Salford, Beds.
John Goodhall 20
Sheba Goodhall 9
Caroline Goodhall 5
Jane Goodhall 3




Susanna's mother was Mary, as posted earlier.

Possibly Caroline was a half-sister, from an earlier marriage of Joseph ??

ADDED:

Well, no, not an earlier marriage. Joseph married Paulina in 1824:

Pauline Cooke
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Pauline Cooke
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 30 Nov 1824
Marriage Place: Salford, Bedford, England
Spouse: Joseph Goodall
FHL Film Number: 1066950
Reference ID: item 2 p 34

So Susanna and Caroline are children of two different Josephs.

Samuel Murden is listed as a Pensioner in 1861, which means he had been a soldier.

And it looks as if the son Samuel Orlando (1858) followed him into the same regiment:



Samuel O Murden
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Samuel O Murden
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Boy
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newport
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Military Asylums for Children of Soldiers of the Regular Army
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 78
Folio: 89
Page Number: 18


Samuel Murden
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Samuel Murden
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Gender: Male
Where born: Albion, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: "45th Reg Sherwood Foresters" Perm Barracks
Occupation: Private
Registration district: Farnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 45th Regiment Sherwood Foresters <<<<<<<<<<
Neighbors:
Piece: 785
Folio: 12
Page Number: 18

??? any connection??

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
GOODALL Caroline Newport P. 3a 759
JENNINGS William Newport P 3a 759

Dea x

Hi,

I have now received the death certificate for Susanna Murden in Wavendon in 1875
It says that she was the widow of Samuel Murden , a private soldier in the 45th regiment.Present at her death was Caroline Jennings (sister).

I am assuming this is the same Susanna:

Murden Or Goodall Susanna 1829 — 1875
Buckinghamshire Burial Index
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England

I can see children with the Jennings surname and Goodall as mothers maiden name being born in Derby in the 1840's/50's but nothing from Wavendon.

Could this still be the same Susanna that married George Goodall in 1846?

Thanks AustinQ,

The birth dates do seem to vary a lot. It is going to be very hard to prove which one he is....

You are also right about the timber merchants. I think they are the Goodalls that are mentioned in the following:

http://www.mkheritage.org.uk/wsc/pubs-inns/royal-oak-aspley-heath/

The locality suggests that they may have been related to my Goodalls somehow but not in the immediate family.

Hello Clive, I think the 1819 baptism is correct but the prison records (for sheep stealing) list George as born 1825- so not too far out from the census records I posted.

AG- the George christened in Dec 1833 died in 1836, so the census I posted are not for that George:

Burial:
First name(s) George
Last name Goodall
Age 2
Birth year 1834
Burial date 24 Jan 1836
Place Wavendon
Denomination Anglican
Residence Wavendon
Relative's relationship Son of
Relative's name Willam & Sarah Goodall
County Buckinghamshire
Document type Bishop's transcripts
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The timber merchant mentioned in several articles is not your George- this is him in 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Duke Street, Aspley Guise, Woburn, Bedfordshire, England

George Goodall Head Male 27 1844 Timber Merchant Woburn Sands, Bedfordshire
Annie Goodall Wife - Female 26 1845 - Bedfordshire,
William Goodall Son - Male 7 1864 - Buckinghamshire,
Eliza Goodall Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Buckinghamshire,
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The George Goodhall convicted of stealing a lock in 1863 is also not the correct George- he was recorded as born 1831 with no previous convictions:
http://apps.bedford.gov.uk/grd/detail.aspx?id=24653

Hi, Yes, "our" George Goodall is most likely this one:

Name: George Goodall
Christening Date: 29 Aug 1819
Christening Date (Original): 29 AUG 1819
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Goodall
Mother's Name: Sarah

His marriage certificate to Susanna Goodall in 1846 gives his age as 27 and his Father as John Goodall (Labourer).

The Brighton George does seem to be a bit younger.

There are quite a lot of George Goodall/Goodhalls out there and it seems more than one from Wavendon...

I have found an article in the Northampton Mercury from Jan 1863 that a George Goodhall was committed to Bedford Gaol for 3 months for stealing a lock value 10s at Luton. This could be him given his previous form.

In a Feb 1869 article, George Goodhall, Timber Dealer of Woburn Sands was cleared of punching a Wm Griffin who was fighting Goodhall's brother.

The Timber Dealer bit may be a clue. The London Gazzette lists a John Goodall and Frederick Goodall of Woburn Sands in the Parish of wavendon trading as J & F Goodall Timber Merchants in 1891 and an article in 1870 where a John Goodhall, timber dealer from Aspley Guise (adjoins Woburn Sands/Wavendon) is sued for money owed for carting timber. This might be the link between the Goodalls of Wavendon and the Colocott family, Wheelwrights in Southwark. They had a coach wheel making factory (presumably made from wood). George and Susanna's daughter Caroline married James Colocott.

In May 1872, there is a George Goodhall mentioned as a witness in a Foot & Mouth disease case in Woburn mentioned in the Luton Herald & Dunstable Times. Also possible.

Not sure if any of these are the right George but are likely to be related somehow I think. Any help in trying to untangle all this is much appreciated!

???

Elizabeth A Goodall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elizabeth A Goodall
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1855
Registration Date: Jan 1920
[Feb 1920]
[Mar 1920]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Steyning
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 341


???
Elizabeth Goodall
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Goodall
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bodmin, Cornwall
Civil Parish: Preston
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 9 Stanley Road Preston Brighton Sussex
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Cook
Registration district: Steyning
Registration District Number: 80
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 466
Piece: 5165
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Goodall 57
Frederick Eldridge 58 - boarder
Caroline Stevens 90 - boarder
Mary Barclay 67 - boarder
James Wilson 57 - boarder

His birth year does seem to vary wildly in the various records.

But that George in Brighton could be this one:

Name: George Goodale
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Dec 1833
Christening Date (Original): 08 DEC 1833
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Goodale
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00824-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88487


I think we've been assuming that "our" George was this one:

Name: George Goodall
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Aug 1819
Christening Date (Original): 29 AUG 1819
Christening Place: WAVENDON,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Goodall
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00824-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88487

All the different spellings don't help, either!

Apologies if these have already been posted, but wondered about these census for George- with a 'wife- Bridget', and a later 'wife'- Elizabeth:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Elder Place, Brighton, Sussex, England

George Goodhall Head - Male 45 1826 - Buckinghamshire, England
Bridget Goodhall Wife - Female 40 1831 - Buckinghamshire, England
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45, Elder Street, Brighton, Sussex, England

George Goodall Head Married Male 48 1833 General Laborer Wavington, Buckingham
Elizabeth Ann Goodall Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Cornwall, England
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Viaduct Road, Brighton, Sussex, England

George Goodall Head Married Male 64 1827 Agricultural Labourer Buckinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Goodall Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Cornwall, England
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Death:
First name(s) GEORGE
Last name GOODALL
Gender Male
Birth year 1829
Age 67
Death quarter 2
Death year 1896
District Brighton
County Sussex
Volume 2B Page 149
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I'm short on time, but will have another look at this later

I can't see the record that Maddie posted but I suspect it was a transcription error.

In August 1853 he was received at MILLBANK Prison, Middlesex, (from Aylesbury).

Millbank Prison, Middlesex: Register Of Prisoners

Name: George Goodhall
Age 28
Married, 2 children
Laborer
Convicted: June 1853 at Aylesbury sessions
Crime: Killing a sheep with intent to steal part of the carcas
Sentence: 7 years
Received: 24th August 1853 from Aylesbury
Previous convictions: Nil
Remarks: Wife, Wavendon, Bucks
Religion: Church of England
Removed to Pentonville Prison 7th October 1853
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EDIT: I found the record Maddie posted- it was Millbank Prison. From Millbank he went to Pentonville and then to Portsmouth where he was discharged on license 2nd July 1856.

Thanks AustinQ. I have sent them an email.

The earlier prison record for George Goodall posted by Maddie says that he was transferred from bucks co jail to wallbank prison aug 1853. Does anyone know where Wallbank Prison was? I can't find any reference to it on the internet.

The transcription of the burial is is from the parish registers which are held at the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies. You could make an enquiry to see if they can help:
https://www.buckscc.gov.uk/services/culture-and-leisure/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/

First name(s) Susanna
Last name Murden Or Goodall
Age 46
Birth year 1829
Death year -
Burial year 1875
Burial date 19 Jan 1875
Place Wavendon
Denomination Anglican
Residence Wavendon
County Buckinghamshire
Document type Parish registers
Register type Burials
Register year range 1869-1881
Archive reference PR220/1/14
Page 8
Archive: Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies
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I presume the parish church would be St Mary's at Wavendon, but hopefully the Centre could confirm that for you.

Thanks once again. Quite a lot to digest!

Murden Or Goodall Susanna 1829 — 1875
Buckinghamshire Burial Index
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England

What is the Buckinghamshire Burial Index? Is this off a gravestone or church records?

Any idea which church she would be buried at?

I will probably order the death certificate for the Susanna Murden who died in 1875 to see if that gives any more clues. This would presumably just give her surname at death though.

Still looking for son Charles George Goodhall b1853 after 1861

Birth:
GOODHALL, CHARLES GEORGE (mother's maiden name: GOODHALL)
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNELL UNION Volume 03A Page 443

Wondered about this Charles:

1911 Census For England & Wales
29 Sophia Road Custom House, West Ham, London & Essex, England

Charles Goodall Head Married Male 59 1852 Dock Labour Buckinghamshire
Jane Goodall Wife Married Female 59 1852 - Wales

No children, married 11 years.

The original 1911 is a little messy- originally it had just Buckinghamshire and Wales for place of birth but it looks like Chesham and Swansea have been added. Looking at previous census Jane was actually born Anglesey, so it's possible that Chesham is wrong too.
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Marriage: Transcription

Name: Charles Goodall
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 48
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1852
Marriage Date: 26 Aug 1900
Marriage Place: Victoria Docks, St Luke, Essex, England
Father: George Goodall
Spouse: Jane Kirkham
Spouse father: John Hughes
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Cant see them in 1901