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Here's Andrew, and also a sister:

Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
O'Keeffe Johanna Mann Merthyr T. 11a 1559


Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
O'Keefe Andrew Mann Merthyr T. 11a 1438

A possible child born while Ellen was between husbands ???

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Mann Elsie M Mann Merthyr T 11a 1724

But possibly not.
Johanna, Andrew and James would be the three closed records in 1939.

A child between her marriages would probably have the surname Jenkins, anyway, even if Edward wasn't the father.




EDIT:

BUT she died in infancy, so wouldn't show up in 1939 in any case:

Elsie M Mann
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elsie M Mann
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1919
Registration Date: Oct 1919
[Nov 1919]
[Dec 1919]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 725

And I don't see any Mann/Mann marriage - so maybe Elsie is Ellen's daughter after all ??

I cant tell you how grateful I am, my friend lives in the area, he is about 75, he has lived there all his life, he knows everyone and everything, and he is such a wonderful character everyone knows him. When he told me there were 2 brothers I knew that there had to be, but I never thought of them being "younger" thank you for that pointer ErikaH, and AG thank you so much for finding the re marriage and the siblings, I am so pleased about all this.

Andrew's death ??

Andrew O'Keefe
in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Andrew O'Keefe
Birth Date: 1922
Birth Place: Merthyr Tydfil, Wales
Death Date: 21 feb 1983
Death Place: Merthyr Tydfil, Wales
Cemetery: Pentwyn Cemetery at St Mary's Church
Burial or Cremation Place: Fochriw, Caerphilly, Wales
Has Bio?: Y
Spouse: Violet May O'Keefe


Andrew O'Keefe
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Andrew O'Keefe
Death Age: 60
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1922
Registration Date: Jan 1983
[Feb 1983]
[Mar 1983]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 0324


Marriage:

Andrew O'Keefe
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Andrew O'Keefe
Registration Date: Jan 1962
[Feb 1962]
[Mar 1962]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: East Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Spouse: Violet M Harding
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 715


violet's death:

Violet May O'Keefe
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Violet May O'Keefe
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1913
Registration Date: Nov 1985
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Gwent
Volume: 28
Page: 919


Mrs Violet May O'Keefe
in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Mrs Violet May O'Keefe
Birth Date: 4 okt 1913 (4 Oct 1913)
Birth Place: Pontypridd, Rhondda Cynon Taff, Wales
Death Date: okt 1985 (Oct 1985)
Death Place: Pontypool, Torfaen, Wales
Cemetery: Pentwyn Cemetery at St Mary's Church
Burial or Cremation Place: Fochriw, Caerphilly, Wales
Has Bio?: Y
Spouse: Andrew O'Keefe

Certainly looks like it. I am so grateful to you both. I could check that info. my friend would probably know, if not, he will know someone who does.

Just for my reference, first marriage to Edward Thomas Jenkins (from marriage certificate)
3rd July 1911. Edward was 21, bachelor, Ellen was 24, spinster. Edward living at 14 Union Street, Pontlottyn, and Ellen 16 School Street, Pontlottyn. Ellens father was James Mann and Edwards father was Edward Jenkins.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
21, Brynhyfr Yard Row, Town, Rhymney, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales

James Mann Head Married Male 33 1868 General Labourer Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales
Elizabeth Mann Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales
James Mann Son - Male 15 1886 Coalminer Labourer Below Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales
Ellen Mann Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales
Patrick Mann Son - Male 11 1890 - Pontlottyn, Glamorganshire, Wales
Julia Mann Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Pontlottyn, Glamorganshire, Wales


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Goshen Street, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales

James Mann Head Married Male 30 1861 Labourer -
Lizzie Mann Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Glamorganshire, Wales
James Mann Son Single Male 5 1886 - -
Ellen Mann Daughter Single Female 3 1888 - -
Patrick Mann Son Single Male 1 1890

Thank you ErikaH

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