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Linda also told me that grandparents on her Mums side are George and Emily Kenealy.

Tragic!!

Just looking back on my notes, she told me Gertrude died age 6, all so very sad.

If Barrie is your cousin, one of his parents must be a sibling of one of yours.

Ditto Linda.

Exactly.

I have just emailed the wife of another cousin of mine. Who thinks that someone she knows, a Colin Jenkins is Barries brother. That may or may not be so. I wait to hear from her. Only just sent it.

That is why I am having to tread carefully.

Having said that, both Barrie and Linda have told me seperatly that they have the same Grand Parents.

These are my 2 brick walls;

Barries parents, and what happened to my GG Grandfather.

I just did a search on Ancestry for Barrie, nothing. Only his marriage to Linda. 1968.

I know for sure that LInda is a blood relative, as for Barrie, I think we are related through the step family created by my Great Great Grandmother Elizabeth Potter/Jenkins marrying again after Thomas dissapeared.

I know where Linda comes into it, but not Barrie.

Arthur Martin was the only surviving child. The only people who can have his parents as their grandparents are his two daughters.

I'm sorry if I'm missing the point somehow, but surely Linda knows the names of her in-laws?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14 Union St Pontlottyn, Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Wales

Arthur Potter Husband Married Male 29 1882 Porth Glamorganshire Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Charity Potter Wife Married Female 28 1883 Penybrook Glamorganshire - Transcription
Gertrude May Potter Daughter Single Female 9 1902 Pontygwaith Glamorganshire - Transcription
Bessie Potter Daughter Single Female 8 1903 Pontypridd Glamorganshire - Transcription
Charity Louise Potter Daughter Single Female 4 1907 Pontlottyn Glamorganshire - Transcription
Mildred Potter Daughter Single Female 2 1909 Pontlottyn Glamorganshire - Transcription
Charlie Potter Brother Single Male 24 1887 Wattstown Glamorganshire Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Edward Thomas Jenkins Stepbrother Single Male 21 1890 Ynshir Glamorganshire Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Arthur Martin Brother In Law Single Male 32 1879 Henley Lancashire Coal Miner Hewer

Hi ErikaH,

You are not missing the point at all. About 6 months ago I spoke to both Barrie and Linda and they both told me they had the same grandparents. I thought that very odd, and could not get my head round it. Then I was told that they were once married, to each other, got divorced, Lindas husband died, and then there were rumours that they were back together. (Now confirmed). I pondered it for months, I knew Linda was definatly a relative, but from what Barrie said about his grandparents, I thought he must be related to me to. I am now trying to figure out how. From what you say, I can't see how he can be, unless I am missing something. I could ask Linda who Barrie's parents are/were, but with the "assumed delicacy" of the situation at the time I didnt like to. Maybe that is my only option now.

Just read an email that came through from my cousin this morning, she has in her records an Edward T Jenkins born about 1889 in Llantristant, Wales, who was born between Charlie 1886 and Mary 1891. Am going to see if I can find our more.

This Edward T Jenkins, 1889, married to Ellen Mann (no DOB)

She says he is the son of Edward Jenkins 1863 and Elizabeth Stafford 1908

Do you think that the marriage certificate for Barrie Jenkins and Linda Martin would give his parents name. I believe they got married in 1968, would have no doubt been in Wales.

That Edward is on the 1891 census posted on the 24th, the 1901 census I posted yesterday, and the 1911 just above this...............why don't you follow through on him yourself by verifying his marriage and looking for children using freebmd?

Marriage certs name fathers - if known

They married in JFM 1968, just outside the 50-year limitation, so you could order a copy cert without knowing the actual date

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13 Union St Pontlottyn, Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Wales

William Blakesly Head Married Male 39 1872 Hanley Staff Collier Hewer Transcription
Elizabeth Blakesley Wife Married Female 40 1871 Ocker Hill Staff - Transcription
William Partridge Son Single Male 19 1892 Great Bridge Staff Collier Hewer Transcription
James Partridge Son Single Male 17 1894 Great Bridge Staff Collier Hewer Transcription
George Blakesley Son Single Male 11 1900 Hedensford Staff - Transcription
Gertrude Blakesley Daughter Single Female 9 1902 Hedensford Staff - Transcription
Elizabeth Blakesley Daughter Single Female 5 1906 Mon Aberty - Transcription
Arthur Blakesley Son - Male 0 1911 Glam Pontlottyn - Transcription
John Shelton Boarder Single Male 17 1894 Mon New Tredegar Collier Hewer Transcription
Nellie Mann Servant Single Female 23 1888 Mon Rhymney -

Deaths Jun 1936 (>99%)
Jenkins Edward T 46 Bedwellty 11a 100

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21 Bryn Terrace Wattstown Ynishir, Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales

John James Hansford Head Married Male 53 1858 Portland Dorsetshire Colliery Lampman Aboveground Transcription
Emily Hansford Wife Married Female 46 1865 Neath Glamorgan - Transcription
Mary Ann Hansford Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Ynyshir Glamorgan - Transcription
Thomas John Hansford Son Single Male 17 1894 Ynyshir Glamorgan Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Agnes Hansford Daughter - Female 14 1897 Watts Town Glamorgan - Transcription
Augustus Hansford Son - Male 12 1899 Watts Town Glamorgan School Transcription
David Llewellyn Hansford Son - Male 7 1904 Watts Town Glamorgan School Transcription
Emily Irene Hansford Daughter - Female 2 1909 Watts Town Glamorgan - Transcription
Thomas Hansford Brother Widower Male 47 1864 Portland Dorsetshire Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
William Hansford Nephew Single Male 17 1894 Aberdare Glamorgan Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Edward Jenkins Brother In Law Widower Male 47 1864 Neath Glamorgan Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Caroline Jenkins Niece - Female 13 1898 Pontygwarth Glamorgan -

I will follow Edward T Jenkins as you say, and order a marriage certificate for Linda and Barrie.

Thank you so much ErikaH, you have been a great help.

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
MARTIN Charity Pontypridd 11a 990
POTTER Arthur Pontypridd 11a 990

Name: Arthur Martin
Birth Place: Henley, Lancs
Residence: Pontolttyn, Glam
Death Date: 21 Aug 1915
Death Place: Gallipoli
Enlistment Place: Newport, Mon
Rank: Private
Regiment: South Wales Borderers
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Regimental Number: 13276
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre

Name: David Llewellyn Jenkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 7
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 336

Drowned in a pond on Good Friday
D.O.B. 10th May