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Ann you said it your self there is only 2/3 years between ann norra Fraser and Ellen Hamilton.Margaret Tilly had Ann norra Frazer ,and Ellen Hamilton ,then they are half sisters.

ellieathome

Ann, how do you know when Margaret Tully was born please? I can't see her on any census or Ann Norra or her son William. Have you found any of them on census records please?

If your Margaret was born in 1839 then the marriage below is unlikely (not impossible though) to be hers.

JOHN FRASER
MARGARET TILLEY
Marriage: 10 DEC 1854 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland


If the above is her marriage, have you found a death for John Fraser before Ellen's birth? If not then probably Margaret wasn't free to marry Mr. Hamilton.

Have you found Ellen's birth on Scotlandspeople please? Have you looked at the OPR entry for the above marriage to see if there is any further information i.e. father's names and / or occupations?

Are we saying here that Ann Norra Fraser married as Ellen Hamilton?

Ellieathome Ido think there is somthing like half sisters if i could only find a
marriage cert for margaret hamilton
rootgatherer you have the right marriage I havemy grans birth cert born1859
Ihave a copy from an old web sitethat said 1939 their son was born 6/7/57
the problem is the name ellen hamilton this name is on my mothers birth cert
Ihad never heard of it before Ihave tried to find john fraser and john hamiltin
on scotlands people there are no matches Ieven tried again this afternoon
Ann

Yes that seems to be what has happened Ann

What are the details from Ellen Hamilton / Boyd#s death certificate please?

I don't see Ellen on any census records prior to her marriage to Francis Boyd. Have you found her please either as Ellen or Ann Norra ?


EDIT

If that Fraser / Tulley marriage in 1854 is correct, then I think Margaret was born earlier than 1839.

Sorry wrong date imeant 1839

Then Margaret was 15 years old when she married John Fraser?

So Ellen Hamilton / Boyd had the same date of birth as Ann Norra Fraser?

Have you found Margaret, Ann Norra or Ellen on the 1861 or 1871 census please?

No she hasn't .Ann norra Fraser's 16 JUN 1859 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Ellen Hamilton marrage c1879 states age as 19 -Father John Hamilton ,mother Margaret Tilly.Unless death cert states the same date as ann norra Fraser

ellieathome

Ann Norra Fraser was not your grandmother - if she had been your grandmother, she would been named on your mother's birth certificate.....and, as you have said yourself, your mother's mother was Ellen Hamilton

Until you get that clear in your own mind, you're not going to get anywhere

There is an Ann norra Fraser dying in 1938 Lanark.Sorry no units left even to have a look.

ellieathome

your right am counting fromthe paper in front of me which says 1839 and ellen was born1861 ann norra 1859
I looked 1861for john hamilton to try and find the family also1891
I have tried severel timesto find ellen but no matches
ann norra i knew i had her birth cert
I looked at 1871 for john fraser too many most in england
th e family are on 1901-1911 Ann

ellieathome no need that is my grandmother Ann

Can i just put rootgatherer right Frances Boyd was my mother ellen married
charles boyd her father Ann

Are you saying Ann Norra Fraser death in 1938 is down as husband Charles Boyd ? who registered it ? and what date of birth was given,or age,and what parents were given.Was Ellen Hamilton mentioned on it.Facts please.

ellieathome

can i just tell you my mothers older sisterhas her mothers name on her marriage lines as Helenora Hamilton ms Fraser Ann

Yes Fathers name John Fraser (shoemaker) mothers name Margaret Tully

and husband was?

ellieathome

MY spinster aunt regestered it as my grandad had died when my mother
was young
Ellen not mentioned Ann

Charles Boyd he was born 1857 Ann