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Thanks everyone for your help Ill just have to settle my self tha it is
the same person Regards Ann :-) :-) :-)

Can't find it myself now :-S

ellieathome

I don't see that one Ellie just this one who is too old.

1857 FRASER MARGARET CAMPBELL MACNAIR F 83 CLYDE GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/05 1125

I think that Ann Norra is a corruption of the name Hanora or indeed Helenora or Helena so that is probably why she changed her name to Ellen. Not at all unusal for peole to change their name to something more "normal". My Grandmother was Hanora but until I started this family history lark I had only ever heard her called Norah.

There is 1 Margaret Fraser dying in 1859 clyde .Sorry i have no units to have a look.

ellieathome

Like the rest of us ,she got wiser as she got older :-D

Goodnight ,God Bless xx

Thank you for that i have alwasys thought when her mother took up with
johh hamilton maybe she changed her name to hamilton.
Ithink its time to say goodnight and god bless
Ann

So for some reason Ann Norra Fraser changed her name to Ellen Hamilton,and as she got older wanted to correct things.Not that there is anything wrong with changing your name.

ellieathome

Charles Boyd he was born 1857 Ann

MY spinster aunt regestered it as my grandad had died when my mother
was young
Ellen not mentioned Ann

and husband was?

ellieathome

Yes Fathers name John Fraser (shoemaker) mothers name Margaret Tully

can i just tell you my mothers older sisterhas her mothers name on her marriage lines as Helenora Hamilton ms Fraser Ann

Are you saying Ann Norra Fraser death in 1938 is down as husband Charles Boyd ? who registered it ? and what date of birth was given,or age,and what parents were given.Was Ellen Hamilton mentioned on it.Facts please.

ellieathome

Can i just put rootgatherer right Frances Boyd was my mother ellen married
charles boyd her father Ann

ellieathome no need that is my grandmother Ann

your right am counting fromthe paper in front of me which says 1839 and ellen was born1861 ann norra 1859
I looked 1861for john hamilton to try and find the family also1891
I have tried severel timesto find ellen but no matches
ann norra i knew i had her birth cert
I looked at 1871 for john fraser too many most in england
th e family are on 1901-1911 Ann

There is an Ann norra Fraser dying in 1938 Lanark.Sorry no units left even to have a look.

ellieathome

Ann Norra Fraser was not your grandmother - if she had been your grandmother, she would been named on your mother's birth certificate.....and, as you have said yourself, your mother's mother was Ellen Hamilton

Until you get that clear in your own mind, you're not going to get anywhere

No she hasn't .Ann norra Fraser's 16 JUN 1859 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Ellen Hamilton marrage c1879 states age as 19 -Father John Hamilton ,mother Margaret Tilly.Unless death cert states the same date as ann norra Fraser

ellieathome

Then Margaret was 15 years old when she married John Fraser?

So Ellen Hamilton / Boyd had the same date of birth as Ann Norra Fraser?

Have you found Margaret, Ann Norra or Ellen on the 1861 or 1871 census please?