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Sorry Ann, you've lost me.............

Was your grandmother really born in 1859?

And if your mother's birth name was Boyd - surely your grandmother would have had that surname?

Was Frances Boyd born and married in Scotland. Are you following her line through Scotlandspeople?

ellieathome

I'm sorry I thought i was helping telling you who everybodys name
I have previous information from a site called pronie.gov.uk
which tells me ellen hamiltons mother is margaret tilley&john hamilton is
her dad ? myself i think my grandmothers mother has changed her
daughhters name to hamilton Ann

Frances Boyd 1901 Glasgow
Charles Boyd -Shoemaker
Ellen Boyd MS Hamilton-marr.27 December 1878 Gorbals
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27 December 1878 Gorbals
Charles Boyd-Shoemaker-21-136 Gallogate,Glasgow
Ellen Hamilton -Machinest -19 Mungo St.- John Hamilton-Bootmaker-Margaret Hamilton MS Tilly-Deceased

ellieathome

I've never heard of that site,should be using Scotlandspeople.

ellieathome

YesReggie my grandmothers surname was Boyd it is her maiden name
that is the problem
she was born on 16 june 1859
yes i am following the line Ann

Could have been a marrige by repute between John Hamilton and Margaret Tilley

ellieathome

If Ellen Hamilton stated in 1878 that she was 19 ,then Ann Nora Frazer 1859 was not her mother.She states she was Margaret Tilley

ellieathome

Actully i have been using scotlands people for years ivery seldome get any answers this subject proves that otherwise i would not be asking you good people for help you havefound the right family's I still dont know why my granmother's name was changed unless ellen hamilton is another person
that was the reason for finding a marriage cert for margaret tully=tilley
Ann

Bed time I think dont you thank you and God Bless Ann :-)

You need to find Margaret Hamilton's death cert on Scotlandspeople .She was deceased before 1878
You'll have to try all the known surnames .
ellieathome

Edit - Ellen Hamilton is your Grandmother .Margaret Tilly is your G Grandmother.
Frances may have called Ann Frazer Gran as she may have been the oldest one around

Ann

One last try - on my part.

Please answer two questions - add nothing else for the moment

Your mother was born Frances Boyd - when and where, please?

I think you have her birth cert - what (exactly) are the names on it for her parents?

If Margaret Tilly died soon after the birth of Ellen Hamilton,would Ann Nora Frazer have brought her up.Either way she is a surrigate grannie

ellieathome

Ann Norra was only two years older than ellen who both have the same
mother margaret tully (maiden name ) Ihave my gran's birth cert I visited
her before she died
The nameson my mother's birth cert are Charles Boyd (shoemaker) Father
Ellen Boyd (ms Hamilton) Ann

Your mother's mother was your grandmother - that's a biological fact. Ellen, nee Hamilton fills that role

The other woman was not your grandmother - no matter what 'pet name' you may have given her

????

1851

Name: Margaret Tillie
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Tillie
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4 Terrace Street
Occupation: Domestic Servt
ED: 39
Page: 18 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 71
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1851_143
Household Members: Name Age
William Tillie 53
Margaret Tillie 26

Just been on to scotlands people again for margaret tully's death cert
came up with 9 records but i dont know where she was born or where she died Itried again for marriage cert no nmatches :Ann

pronie.gov.uk? proni.gov.uk that a site for N. Ireland

thank you rootgatherer for your input but my margaret tully was born 1839
I have my grans birth cert which stats her name is Ann Norra Fraser which is also on her death cert Ann

Can you give details on Ann Norra Frazer -Marriage -when ,where ,date

Who signed death certificate of ann norra's death

ellieathome

Edit- Margaret Tully died in Glasgow.1861-1878