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Anyone up for a pre-1840 challenge? update & new q

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Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 12:49

Just found this - a good fit, especially the Methodist and Shebbear connections!

...as a 'Bible woman' which almost certainly meant that she was able to preach on the Bible and belonged to a sect called the 'Bible Christians'. They were a breakaway group from the Methodists who allowed and encouraged preaching by women, unheard of then in the mainstream churches ... Shebbear was an important base in Devon... The Bible Christians settled their differences and rejoined the Methodists early in the 20th century.

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 13:09

I can't find a birth, christening or death for Mary F KELLY c1840-1! :-(

(I expected it to be in Cambridgeshire?)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Jul 2011 13:14

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Hannah Matilda Kelly
Name: Hannah Matilda Kelly
Spouse Name: William Henry Hanson
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jun 1830
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney

(witnesses, Charles Kelly, Helen R?oss, by licence with consent of Charles Kelly, father of minor)

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 13:18

There is Lake Methosist Chapel at Shebbear College.

The marriage that Chris put up says Charles Kelly father of the said minor.

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 13:23

oh that is brilliant, thank you Mel!

Just found this too

Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)
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LEMON Matilda Elizabeth 53 Leicester 7a 152

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 13:27

The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. Mary Kelly (Hally) was about 3 months old then. So the birth should be Jan Feb Mar 1841. It was'nt compulsary to register a birth until 1875 when you were fined for not registering.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 13:33

There seems to be two Mary Kelly's born the same time in Newton Abbot. Blast!!!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Kelly
Name: Mary Kelly
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1841
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 10
Page: 154

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Kelly
Name: Mary Kelly
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1841
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 10
Page: 159

And both the same months!!!!!!!!!!

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 13:35

MARY ANN KELLEY Pedigree
Female


Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 APR 1840 Iddesleigh, Devon, England



Parents:
Father: WM KELLEY Family
Mother: ELIZ


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 13:39

Hey Mel, I saw that one in Iddlesleigh, but then there was about about half dozen in the same place with same parents so I discounted it. But being such a religious family it seems unlikely that they would not have christened her. Grr!

Still, musn't grumble, it has all fitted together so wonderfully, I had given up getting further back and now have lots to go on with :-) thanks to all the lovely GR helpers!

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 13:40

Wondering about those two births on FreeBMD...the numbers are so similar I wonder if they are the same birth and it is a transcriber discrepancy...?

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 14:00

Ok since you have had such great success with this lot, can I stretch the request to John Ebenezer's brothers please? :-D

They were:
William Charles KELLY b. 1843 Shaldon, Devon
and
Thomas KELLY b. 1845 Shaldon, Devon

Both sons of the Reverend Wm and his 2nd wife Elizabeth (nee KRAUSHAAR)

I have had no luck finding them in 1881.

Thank you!
:-)

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 14:06

Oh wow I have just found this!!

1881 England Census
about William Kelly
Name: William Kelly
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizth. Kelly
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Mina Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Commercial Traveller

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St Philip & St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2494
Folio: 44
Page Number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
William Kelly 74 Born Middx
Elizth. Kelly 70 Born Middx
Harrt. M. Kelly 28 BORN SHEBBEAR DEVON*********



Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 14:11

Oh my!

What was he doing there I wonder?! And a commerical traveller at 74?!

So there was another daughter - Harriet M. b. c1853 in Shebbear! This is huge! I think I need to find the 1861/71 censuses for this family now!!!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Jul 2011 14:13

Name: William Charles Hanson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1837
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1837
Father's name: William Henry Hanson
Mother's name: Hannah Matilda Hanson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

(address, Hackney Road, fathers occ. Master Mariner)

Just adding this, to go with marriage posted earlier, not sure where they are 1841 though...

Chris :)


Potty

Potty Report 7 Jul 2011 14:16

1841 for Mary Kelly definitely show not born in county. So, the births Mel found are probably not her.

Her death should have been registered though.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 14:16

Here it is and it says daughter.

1881 England Census
about Harrt. M. Kelly
Name: Harrt. M. Kelly
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Kelly
Mother's name: Elizth. Kelly
Gender: Female
Where born: Shebbear, Devon, England

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Mina Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St Philip & St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2494
Folio: 44
Page Number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
William Kelly 74
Elizth. Kelly 70
Harrt. M. Kelly 28


and on family search.

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About this collection
Name: Harrt M Kelly
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1853
Birthplace: Shebbear, Devon, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Condition: Single
Profession/Occupation: Dressmaker
Address: 1 Mina Cottages
Census Place: Ss Philip And Jacob (Out), Gloucestershire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341601
The National Archives Reference: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2494 / 44
Page Number: 39
Household Gender Age
Parent William Kelly M 74
Parent Elizth Kelly F 70
Harrt M Kelly F 28

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 14:18

1861 England Census
about Thomas Kelly
Name: Thomas Kelly
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 150
Piece: 230
Folio: 184
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Walker 49
Sarah Walker 36
Abner Walker 4
Clara Walker 1
Charles Walson 39
George Franklin 22
John Burn 19
Alfred Lightfoot 21
John Spinks 19
John Fielding 14
Thomas Kelly 16
George Bolton 27


Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 7 Jul 2011 14:24

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John Ebenezer Kelly
Name: John Ebenezer Kelly
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1847
Registration district: Torrington
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 10
Page: 296

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 14:29

This must be Elizabeth's death but can't find Wm

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Kelly Elizabeth 79 Barton R. 6a 108

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 7 Jul 2011 14:32

Getting late here, need to pack it in for the night - thanks again!