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Hi Mel & Julie

How exciting! Have replied to your PMs.

Looking forward to sharing information :-D

Julie I have just pm'd you.

Mel

I found this thread accidentally when trying to further research William Kelly and am hoping someone might contact me. My husband is the descendent of William Kelly through his daughter Matilda who married Martin William Lemon. We have their family bible which was given to them in 1868 by the St Andrews Bible Society Leicester. I am pretty certain of my tree, but it would be great to be able to confirm it and maybe move further back in time to William's father etc. Julie Lemon

Yes I thought it was Dawson at first but then suddenly thought it could be Hanson! But who was she??? Not Wm Hy Hansons sister, or mother, and obviously not Wm Kelly's daughter! All too early.

And the Ann Hanson in the 1841 census is 40, so can't be Wm Hy's wife. And yes bootbinder (or bookbinder?) doesn't really fit. I was hoping it said boatbuilder haha!

But all else fits, so maybe the Wm Hy born 1814 is not the right one after all? (I did see his sister Matilda's baptism, but missed Lancelot!)

On the marriage of William Kelly and Elizabeth Hurst the witnesses are W. Hurst and H Matilda Hanson!!

Here is the census you talk about but Jmaes is a Bootbinder and so is William. The 1841 dos'nt say if they were married or not.

1841 England Census
about William Hanson
Name: William Hanson
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Sepulchre
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: West London
Sub-registration district: West London North
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 669
Book: 1
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
James Hanson 68
Ann Hanson 68
Ann Hanson 40
William Hanson 28
Frances Green 41 14 not 41****

Neither James or Ann were born in the county

Oh Cherilyn it is a shame you did'nt look a bit further on the bap fo William Henry Hanson to James and Ann as they had three children baptised the same day!!!!!!!!!!

Williiam Henry born 2 Feb 1814
Matilda 1 Apr 1809
AND Lancelot 1 March 1811

Address Pennington St.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Henry Hanson
Name: William Henry Hanson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1814
Baptism Date: 8 May 1814
Father's name: James Hanson
Mother's name: Ann Hanson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Name: Hannah Tongue
Baptism Date: 10 Sep 1775
Parish: St James, Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Parent(s): John Tongue,
Hannah Tongue
Record Type: Baptism

(says born 20th August)

Chris :)

CHA KELLEY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 23 DEC 1764 Saint Olave, Southwark, Surrey, England


Parents:
Father: CHA KELLEY Family
Mother: ELIZ


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

I can't remember if I put this up before so I am doing it again.

WILLIAM KELLY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 31 JUL 1806 **********

Christening: 24 AUG 1806 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, England

Parents:
Father: CHARLES KELLY Family
Mother: HANNAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

HANNAH MATILDA KELLY Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 26 APR 1810 *********

Christening: 20 MAY 1810 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, England

Parents:
Father: CHARLES KELLY Family
Mother: HANH. MATILDA

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

So his sister was Hannah Matilda and they must have called her Ann.

???
Deaths Jun 1840 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HANSON Hannah St Geo East 2 47

Thanks for that death - would explain why he is so elusive!

I spent an hour on Anc at the library yesterday...wasted a lot of it as usual...but did find a possible for Wm Hy Hanson and wife Hannah.

Likely birth for him in 1814 at St Geo in the East Mdsx to James & Ann. Most notably, Jas is a mariner (Wm's occupation was Master Mariner).

What is odd is there is a Wm Hy Hanson in the 1841 census aged 28, born Mdsx, and it appears he is living with his parents James and Ann (both 68) and possibly a sister Ann (40). Forgot to look to see if it indicated whether he was married :(

There's a Hannah Hanson, b. Bethnal Green, in 1861 as a servant in an insitution of some sort? Didn't get the place but it was in Shoreditch. Maybe not her.

And not til I got home did I think to look for a christening for Hannah Tongue. Found a possible to parents John & Hannah in Mdsx/London but of course without full access could not see the year etc.! Grrr. Hate that! On her marriage to Chas Kelly it shows her as being of St Mary le Bow, London.

I did look at the marriage for Wm Kelly to Elizabeth Hurst - witnesses appear to be W. Hurst and Matilda...looks like Dawson but could be Hanson. Can't be his daughter obviously, but wonder if some connection!

Cannot find anything for Hannah Matilda.

Possible death for William Charles:

Deaths Jun 1864
Kelly William Charles Leicester 7a 114

Thanks, Mel. I did wonder if they were attending school/university at Cambridge and that is why they were there?

Great progress made...still hoping to fill the ? on page 4 ;-)

Gloucester, Somerset and Devon are pretty well near each other but Cambridge is the farthest away. Takes us about an hour just over to get to Bristol from Devon I think. These counties are all in the west and Cambridge is more in the east.

I find this Taunton connection very interesting, because that is where Clara Bragg's family were from (John E's wife).

I don't know distances - are these places far apart? ie Cambridge, Gloucester, Somerset, Devon?

Anyways, now 11.15pm here and getting weary - plus getting evil eye from hubby! ;-)

Goodnight!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Kelly
Name: Elizabeth Kelly
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1890
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 108

I wonder if William was posted to Glous. and he was up there on the 1861 census sussing out a place for the family to live????

Tree on Ancestry has this info about Matilda Elizabeth.


1834 14 AprBirth Cannon Street, Commercial Road, London, Middlesex, England 5 source citations Hide source citations

22 JunBaptism Old Gravel Lane Saint George In The East Independent, Stepney, London, England

Marriage 16 Jun 1860 Age: 26 Marriage to Martin William Lemon Market Harborough, Leicestershire, England

1861
Age: 27 Residence Taunton St James, Somerset, England 1 source citation Hide source citations

Martin William Lemon dies in 1869 and she is a widow on the 1871 census and a Lay Agent (Preacher??) With her three children
Elizabeth M 9yrs born Taunton Somerset.
INTERESTING as they are in Taunton Somerset on the 1861 and staying with someone who is also a schoolmistress and Matilda was one too.

Emma J 6 born Leicester

Edward M 4 born Leicester.

Now 1881which someone put up before on here.

1881 England Census
about Matilda E. Lemon
Name: Matilda E. Lemon
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Leicester St Mary
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 39 Napier Street
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Occupation: Bible Woman For St Andrew Parish

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3173
Folio: 152
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Matilda E. Lemon 45
Elizabeth M. Lemon 19
Emma J. Lemon 16
Edward M. Lemon 14


DEATH aged 53 Leicester 10 Apr 1888

The tree belongs to a Julie Lemon but she dos'nt have the family on the 1861 census's like we now have.

Under comments is this.

Non-conformist ministry of William Kelly

Thanks Mel I had the dates for Elizabeth K but not the place of christening

I have the marriage cert for Wm & Elizabeth K, John E's birth cert and Clara Bragg's as well.