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Anthony...

Is this your man? I know it's not answering your question yet, but it's something i have come across.

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about George Ewings
Name: George Ewings
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Date of Trial: 5 Jul 1841
Trial Year: 1841
Location of Trial: Devon, England
Sentence: Acquittal

Going on the Criminal register i have found, this looks like George in 1841?

1841 RG number: HO107 Piece: 266 Book/Folio: 3 Page: 2
Reg. District: Exeter Sub District: St David
Address: Exeter City Prison, St David, Exeter County: Devonshire
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EWINGS, George M 15 1826 Devon

Dear Tracey,
I posted this earlier as a thread but no joy. Could you please take a look and see if you can find anything......

I am still stuck trying to find the marriage of Mary Ann Hardy and George Jones. Help Please.

From previous help this is what I know:-

My Great-grandmother, Ellen Jones in born in Dorchester in 1868 to George Jones (Occupation Groom and also Driver in the Royal Horse Artillery) and Mary Ann Hardy.

I have census records for them in 1871 and then in later census's after George died in 1878 -
George JONES; Groom; 43; Saint Peter; Apr 13th 1878

So I have hit a brick wall with the marriage of George and Mary Ann. Looked everywhere. Mary Ann Hardy was born in 1846 in Dorchester to John and Sarah. ( I would also like to find a death records for Mary Ann to tie up loose ends.) So I would say the marriage of George and Mary is going to be early 1860s and I would have thought George would have traveled not Mary Ann. I know from the 1871 census that George was born in Kidderminster, Worcestershire about mid 1830s.

Also found this on a Dorchester website:
Burial Dorchester: The Infant Daughter Of JONES; George Jones, soldier; 1 Day; Holy Trinity; Sep 6th 1865

Hi Robert,

I have looked at a few tree's on Ancestry and all are missing the 1891 census for Mary Ann Jones, so here it is.

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 1653 Folio: 5 Page: 4
Reg. District: Dorchester Sub District: Dorchester
Address: Cuckolds Row, Fordington, Dorchester County: Dorsetshire
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JONES, Mary A Head Widow F 49 1842 Laundress Dorchester Dorsetshire
JONES, Eliza Daughter Single F 16 1875 Laundress Blandford Dorsetshire
JONES, Rebecca Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Dorchester Dorsetshire

Still looking for the marriage. How can you be sure they did marry? Some couples never actually 'got round' to marrying !


T x

Dear Tracey,
Many thanks for this information.
It's true they maybe never married but the reason I think they did is that I have a copy of Ellen's BC and Mary Ann who registered her in the local church and it says she is the wife of George Jones. If they did not marry would it say that as the minister would probably know them and know if they were married or not (thats my logic anyway!)

I do also wonder if they married in the Army Barracks in Dorchester and that is why they are harder to find. I have tried looking for the Dorchester Barracks records but no joy online.
You are my last hope!

Robert,

Have you made enquiries on this marriage?

Marriages Jun 1868
Hardy Mary Ann Dorchester 5a 650
Richards Robert Dorchester 5a 650

Marriages are always listed as 2 sets of couples, this marriage has a couple missing, so it could be you have the male from 1 couple and the female from another.... in your case Mary Ann Hardy.

It's most def worth a shot.


Tracey x

Sadly, they all lied back then!

I and numerous people here have certs that have lies all over them, i have several certs which state wife of, when infact they were never married.

I even have one who implied they were married on all birth certs and even gave the amount of years on the 1911 census.... they were not however married as her first husband was alive and well and caring for the 3 previous children she abandoned!

I shall have a look at the military marriages for you.

Do you have George's paperwork, if they were married it will have the details (or at least should have) within the paperwork.


T x

Hi wayne/Tracey,
Before i start i do have a thread it under pat subject birth certificate. I am desperate to find my birth certificate of my grand-father, but have had no luck so far. he died in 1956 born 1901.02 in abergavenny monmouthshire , i have to certificates for him marriage and death. His wedding cert states his name is leonard miles otherwise anstey, father john miles, he had for step-brother/sister named anstey. Mother louisa miles was married to tom anstey in 1891 census its spelt enstey. In the 1911 census they live in tudor st abergavenny, it states leonard was a miles , son of louisa and john aged 9 and it also states john and louisa had been married for nine years. Louisa maiden name was jones born in raglan 1862, stated in 1891 census but differs over the years. I cant find her either. I have trie registry offices ,but no luck! Any ideas where i can go next.

Regards,

Pat

If you mean Georges military paperwork, do I don't. I know from his Death Cert in 1878 we was a groom by then (no longer army) and died of TB.

I will investigate that marriage you found which lists Mary Ann.

Anything more you can find will be much appreciated.
thanks
Bob

By the By for your information Mary Ann Hardy was the cousin of Thomas Hardy (author). So Thomas Hardy is my cousin 4x removed.
Mary Ann's father was John Hardy know as the Black Sheep of the family in a number of Thomas Hardy biographies! I come from the wrong side of the family.

hi, tracey

did come across this in my search. did wonder?

Hi Robert,

I did wonder as i was looking at the names about Thomas Hardy !

Loved his books....


T x

Anthony,

I've had a good look about (between working) and i haven't as yet found anything that is relevant to the people your searching for.

It may mean a trip to the local RO (records office) and seeing what info is there.

Sorry i couldn;t help you any further.

T x

Pat,

I have replied on your original thread.

Tracey x

Yes it was quite a surprise. This is why I so keen to identify the marriage. I can then pass on the connection to the Thomas Hardy Society as a new family line from Mary Ann down to us. That would be a coup.
Hope you can find something.
Bob
Any luck with the military marriages?

Hi Robert,

Nothing on the Military marriages.

If you relative is related to him, how come they are not already in his tree?

Isn't there a substantial tree of his on the internet somewhere? I'd be suprised if there wasn't?

For Mary Ann to be Thomas's cousin they must have shared common Grandparents?


T x

Hi Wayne, I am certainly stuck trying to find a Joseph Smith, whon I beleive to have come from the suffolk area.During the first world war, he served as a motorcycle outrider in the military,stationed in Abbotsbury Dorset, he bigamously married Mary May Bridle in 1919 at St Nicholas Church in Abbotsbury,they had a daughter together,Gwendoline Harriet May Smith/Bridle in 1920,born in Abbotsbury.he was found out to have been married before ,with a wife and I believe four children living in the Sufolk area,when he was arrested for stealing petrol from the military and selling it to a Mr Brodby from Abbbotsbury.he was put on trial in Dorchester and served a sentence in Dorchester Prison for theft and bigamony. unfortunately a lot of prison records including his were destroyed in a fire.We have serched most avenues we can think of to no avail,so any help would be appreciated.Joseph Smith was my Grandad.woo I never knew .Regards Colin.

Yes they do share common Grandparents (Mary Head and Thomas Hardy Snr). There are extensive trees for Thomas Hardy's family but Mary Ann's father, John, moved from Puddleton to Fordingham and fell on hard times. He is described as the Black Sheep in books. His family is less well documented than the Hardy's of Puddleton.

See this Google book page page 10 for John Hardy family tree link to Thomas Hardy:- (Thomas Hardy - a Biography revisited)

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_HAwcifOzLIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Thomas+hardy+a+biography+revisited&source=bl&ots=1o9W7Kptoa&sig=HW6Th1YePV1_mEw--lyWX6k7r_A&hl=en&ei=yxoETK2YMKT80wT22q33Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

Hi Colin,

How old was Joseph when he married Mary May?


Tracey x

Hey Robert,

Just been googling the Hardy's to see if i could weedle anything out....

Still hunting!


Tracey x