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Witnesses to the 1886 marriage of Alfred DAVIES and Hannah PARRY were...
T.VERITY....and the mark of Catherine REES.

Now here you have to stretch the imagination a bit....
In 1881 there is this household and I wondered if T.VERITY could infact be J...(as in Jessie? )
I don't know if Hannah later joined the household as a servant ( she is a General servant at her marriage)

Name: Catherine Rees
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Merthyrmawr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Coyty Lower
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 27 Dunraven Place
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Servant (Domestic)

Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham J. Verity 62
Anne Verity 59
Alice C. Smith 31
John V. Smith 31
>>>>Jessie L. Verity 23
Charles F. Verity 19
Annie T. Verity 15
Graham M. Verity 13
>>>Catherine Rees 56 ....servant
Mary Jones 14



Gwyn

I have done a search on FMP, i prefer their search engine.

The search i did was on a Hannah P* 1867 +/- 4 years with an Edgar in the household. Only 8 came up, none of which are Parry.

Now is is possible she wasn't born Hannah? But maybe a Mary Ann or Ann Marie?


Tracey x

Hmmm a little left of centre.... Bristol not being a million miles away from Bridgend.

Births Mar 1870
Parry Ellen Ann Clifton 6a 77

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 2487 Folio: 96 Page: 16
Reg. District: Barton Regis Sub District: Ashley
Address: 141, Gloster Road, Horfield County: Gloucestershire
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PARRY, Edgar Head Married M 43 1838 Boot Maker Employing 3 Men & 1 Boy Bristol Gloucestershire
PARRY, Maria Wife Married F 47 1834 Bristol Gloucestershire
PARRY, Ada J Daughter Single F 14 1867 Bristol Gloucestershire
>>PARRY, Ellen A Daughter Single F 11 1870 Bristol Gloucestershire

Could she have mistaken his occupation as Carpenter or did he do a bit of both??


Tracey x

Anything is possible....but I have never seen her other than as Hannah.
Mind you, I can't identify her before her marriage, so who knows?

A year or two ago I contacted someone doing a one name study for PARRY, but she had no knowledge of Edgar.
Interesting that in that area he wasn't declared as a miner or an ag lab, but had a definite trade.
As Hannah named a son Edgar, I wondered if she perhaps had a brother of that name, but had no luck on searching for her on that route......

Thanks for all your thoughts and help.

EDIT
Just seen your finding of Edgar... I'll take a quick look, but will have to leave to sort out family here
I'm really grateful for your many searches.
Gwyn

Hmmm, Ellen is still single in 1891 :-(

PARRY, Ellen A Daughter Single F 21 1870 Horfield Bristol


T x

Hello Tracey,

I'm looking for the 1861 census for Henry William Mitchell born circa 1823 in Middlesex. A wife Elizabeth born circa 1821 and children, Richard Samuel born circa 1845 and William Arthur born circa 1859. In the 1851 census and 1871 they were in the St George Hanover Square, London Area. Any help greatly appreciated.

Andy

Andrew,

I've spent a good hour looking... i can't see them, and it appears they are on numerous tree's on A*try and none of them have the family in 1861 either.... maybe they were missed off?


T x

Hi Tracey

Thanks for the offer. Here is my White family - some of what I managed to save before I accidentally deleted the original White thread (with grateful thanks to my many GR helpers like Choccy). Because Sarah and Louisa are a little less easily tracked than the Isabella & Matilda who I did trace I had more or less given up on them. There were many deaths in Hungerford betwen 41 & 51 - they might have been amongst them OR they might have moved to London as Isabella and Matilda did - but how do you trace their marriages amongst so many Whites? Want to have a shot at it? If you find out anything else about Sylvanus Jnr and Alfred after they got to Australia that would be a real bonus. Is this enough to keep you from being bored?

1841 living at High Street, West Side, Berkshire:
WHITE Sylvanus 50 1791 Berkshire (shown as Tailor on Matilda's Marriage Certificate) (Died Hungerford Dec 1848)
WHITE Sylvanus 20 1821 born 17 Feb 1819 baptised 14 Mar 1819 Hungerford emigrated with wife Mary Ann (Steeden)
WHITE Sarah 20 1821 (bn 14/02/1821 x 11/03/1821)
WHITE Ewd 15 1826 (Lived Hampshire + family - no info wanted)
WHITE Isabella 13 1828 married William Braithwaite 1848 at St. Martin in the Fields - (died 1902 Croydon)
WHITE Willm 10 1831 (Llived Staffordshire + family - no info wanted).
WHITE Matilda 9 1832 married Alfred Briaris 1854 Hoxton (died 1909 Camberwell)
WHITE Louisa 7 1834 (Louisa Maria x 18/05/1834)
WHITE Alfred 5 1836 (emigrated to Australia in 1858 with wife Mary Ann (Chappell).
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Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Silvanus White Estimated birth year: abt 1820 Age: 32
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1852 Arrival Port: Port Phillip Bay, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Mariner
Name: Mary Ann White Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Age: 36
Name: Louisa White Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Age: 9
Name: Laura White Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Age: 5
Name: Elizabeth White Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Name: Silvanus White (born 1851) **
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**
Silvanus George White m. Alison Janet Anderson Yarra (2 children).

www.walhalla.org.au/news/People/0810W.pdf
(Silvanus George and his wife Alison are on Electoral Rolls for Victoria on Ancestry) (google shows Port Phillip Bay is Melbourne, Victoria)
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Here's Alfred travelling with his wife Mary Ann (Chappell) to Australia

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
Name: Alfred White
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Age: 22
Voyage Arrival Date: 8 Apr 1858
Vessel Name: Joshua
Origin Location: Hungerford

They appear to have had 5 children -

11956/1862 WHITE MARY A S ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN - NSW
13038/1864 WHITE ALFRED W ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN - Alfred William born 29/02/1864
13619/1865 WHITE EDWARD ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN
14410/1867 WHITE HENRY ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN
16380/1869 WHITE ISABELLA ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN

Have a good day. Open the windows and listen to the birds singing if you cannot get out!

Jeanie

Edit:
2 things that might provide some clues. Although Matilda always showed birth place on census records as Hungerford, Berks she was for whatever reason x at St. Martin in the Fields, London. There may be a family connection in that area. Mother's name was Sarah Joyce - as the surname Joyce is not that common - it might throw up a lead.

Hello Tracey,

Thank you for your help. Maybe I'll have to contact Kew.

Best wishes,
Andy

Hi Wayne,
Can you look at my thread just near yours titled Australian/English records. Many thanks .
Barbara

Hey Jean,

Have you seen a public tree by the name of 'Barry Family Tree' on A*try?

They appear to have Alfred James White & wife Mary Ann they also appear not to know Mary Ann's surname and only have Alfred William White as the only child listed (no parents for Alfred senior either)

They have Alfred married to Sophia Elizabeth Olley 1874-1924, (no date for the marriage). They have a death for Alfred as 13 Jul 1928 Lismore, NSW.

Only 1 child listed of the marriage, Keith Olley White 1907 - 1971.

Did you already have this info?


Tracey x

EDIT:

It appears Alfred is on the One World Tree and his marriage to Sophia is listed as ...

15 May 1893 in Mayfield Rosehill, New South Wales, Australia

....and their entire collecton of children...

Hector C White M 1899 in Lismore, New South Wales, Australia
Living White M
Living White F
Living White M
Edward William White M 1894 in Tuncester, Leycester Property Lismore, New South Wales, Australia
Alma M White F 1895 in Lismore, New South Wales, Australia
Unname White M 1897 in Lismore, New South Wales, Australia
Eric H White M 1902 in Lismore, New South Wales, Australia
Keith O White M 1907 in Lismore, New South Wales, Australia
Melva Simes White F 1909 in Lismore, New South Wales, Australia


Tracey x

Thanks Tracey. That's really great. I'm very hopeful your efforts will bear fruit for both my tree and the Aussie one.

All the best

Jeanie

Hi Tracey

I've been checking my notes on previous enquiries. I have an Alfred White death from previous enquiry as:

7221/1894 ALFRED J SYLVANUS MARY A - LISMORE (a district of NSW - as is Yarra) - so presumably the son of Sylvanus and Mary Ann Steeden born after they arrived in Australia.

If the 1928 Alfred death is the Alfred James who emigrated he would have been 92!

Alternatively it could be Alfred William the son of Alfred James and Mary Ann Chappell born in 1864.

Why oh why cannot they name their children other than after themselves and their relatives. Gets so confusing! Needs a sharper brain than mine to sort it all out.

Jeanie

Edit: Having looked at it all again guess it must be Alfred William's death in 1928.

Yeah the Alfred death is the one born 1864, the son of Alfred J and Mary A Chappell.


T x

I may have a surprise for springtime lol, if I may butt in.

Linley C Kuhl was a girl. She was born Linley C Thomas and married a Mr Kuhl late in life.

Births Sep 1915
Thomas Linley C mmn John Narberth 11a 2524

That will be another very good reason to get certificates, to find out what sex the person was!


editing . . . I thought maybe that was mistaken because there are births with those surnames in the 1960s and 1970s but another Thomas married a Kuhl just a little earlier.

Nice find Bruce,

I didn't do anything but the basic research on this person specifically because the certs will hold more details than we can find.

I'm not a fan of chasing my own tail trying to find data that can easily be found by buying a cert.

Once Springtime comes back with more details we can help her further, as a footnote tho there are both male and female Linley births


Tracey x

Can't believe I have just deleted my own post so I wil start again.

Hi Tracey,
I am hoping you might be able to find these 2 brothers , they are,
Henry Moore d.o.b. 3.6.1859 in Glasgow , last on the 1881 scottish census living with his parents, occupation Hammerman.
Alexander Moore d.o.b. 26.4.1880 in Glasgow , last on the 1891 scottish census aged 11.
Their parents are Henry and Margaret nee Stewart.
I have not been able to find a marriage or death for them anywhere in Scotland, so any help from you would be appreciated.
thank you
jean

Hello Tracey. :) I sent that information directly to springflower since I wasn't sure she would see it here, and she is interested in the Mr Kuhl so ... I said she had better get the marriage certificate, lol. I think this is the first time I have seen a case where somebody needed a certificate to know the person's sex!

Hey Jean,

Having had a good look around, including the 1911 Irish census (incase they went back to where their father came from) and i couldn't find them!

Have you considered they may have emigrated? or that either one or both have joined the military?

I cannot see anyting on the emmigration records, however these are not fully transcribed, so it might be a case of sitting and waiting.

Sorry i couldn't be of more help.


Tracey x

Hey Jeanie (all these Jeans is gonna get complicated!)

I've had a lok at your PM, and i think your right, the second wife just didn;t have the right details on the first...it's completely plausable.

The other data is too close to be ignored.

I am still having a peer about to ses if something else pops up!


T x