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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 7 Feb 2009 21:26

George

Here is the christening record of Thomas which i am sure you already have.Showing just a mother for Thomas.As there also a middle name which looks like a surname,it is poss that Thomas was illegitimate.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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THOMAS WHITAKER WASTENAGE Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 JAN 1822 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Mother: MARY WASTENAGE Family


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date


Here is a poss Christening for Mary-same district,same church.

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MARY WASTENAGE Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 JAN 1796 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: GEORGE WASTENAGE Family
Mother: HANNAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


Have you got the marriage cert for Thomas?may have a father listed on that?Is the best way to start with to see.





***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 7 Feb 2009 22:03

Danielle

Also found this another marriage in 1855 in Leeds

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Michael Comer 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Ann Davy 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Patrick Lochran 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Catherine McGrale 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding

Marriage was to Catherine McGrale



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Patrick Lochran
Name: Patrick Lochran
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 373 (click to see others on page)

Then of course the 1 you found

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Margaret Clifford 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Patrick Gorman 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Patrick Loughran 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Julia McMahon 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Patrick Loughran
Name: Patrick Loughran
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 543 (click to see others on page)

Wonder if its the same person???

Will check the 1851...funny thing is i had seen a poss Peter on the 1851 who matched the occupation of the 1871 Peter...Clothes Dealer wasn't it?Only prob was there was a son James there already on the 1851 aged 7 so i hunted for a death and couldn't see 1...although its poss that its under a transcript error!!I am beginning to wonder which is the correct name!!There was also a John and a Ellen children with them.I accounted for John who was with a relative on the 1861 and would have left home by the 1871 but couldn't see Ellen...and no death for her?So bit of a mystery really.





David

David Report 7 Feb 2009 22:13

Hello Michelle

Thanks again for them, I will have a look into them next week. Hopefully birth certificate will help when it arrives.

Kind regards

Danielle

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 7 Feb 2009 22:20

hi michelle im desperate for help to establish margaret cook birth and parents. i have her marriage certificate,1898 southshields to robert william edgar. she gives her age as 21 and father as henry cook occupation joiner.she is in 1901 census with robert but now says she is 20. i have her death certificate 1919 southshields which gives her age as 35.so three differing ages, she gives her birthplace in census as middlesbrough yorks.i have looked at 1891 census henry cook and elizabeth middlesbrough and others but how can i be sure of right family hope you can help elizabeth

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 7 Feb 2009 22:22

Danielle

Please let me know when you get it.I would be very interested.

Michelle

Lilly the flower

Lilly the flower Report 7 Feb 2009 22:43

Hi michelle, just want to say thank you for doing my James Charlwood census lookup for me the other day, very interesting, as usual lol, I expect I will be back soon, asking for something else, lol many thanks once again.....Lilly

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 7 Feb 2009 22:59

Elizabeth

I am a little confused???Also have looked for a Margaret Edgar on the 1901 with Robert W and this 1 is only 1 showing?

1901 England Census
about Margaret Edgar
Name: Margaret Edgar
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert W
Gender: Female
Where born: Binchester, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Middlestone
Ecclesiastical parish: Merrington St John the Evangelist
Town: Middlestone Moor
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Auckland
Sub registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 205
Household Members: Name Age
Robert W Edgar 22
Margaret Edgar 20

Birthplace listed as Durham?

Could you tell me if this is her?Also give me the witness names of the marriage of 1898?It maybe that u have your census records from Genes?Some are transcripted different.

Thanks

Michelle


Helen

Helen Report 7 Feb 2009 23:20

thanks for the info michelle
i think i have the right sarah now
helen

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Feb 2009 00:14

George

There are some records re Thomas senior futher up this page,so don't miss them.

Here looks like the death for his son Charles

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Charles Whitaker Wastnage
Name: Charles Whitaker Wastnage
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 42
District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901)
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 118 (click to see others on page)

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Feb 2009 00:42

George

If Mary was the 1 i found 1796 with parents George and Hannah this could be their marriage

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GEORGE WASTENAGE Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH BECKETT Family
Marriage: 15 FEB 1795 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Carolyn

Carolyn Report 8 Feb 2009 10:36

Michelle, thank you so much for the information. You are a star. Carolyn

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Feb 2009 16:09

Bumped up for Angela

Michelle

CasCas

CasCas Report 8 Feb 2009 16:28

Hi Michelle
Please could you do a census lookup for 1901 for Frederick W HOE (born 1881 in Notts) &family. Probably Yorkshire area and poss linked to Railways?
If its any help I tried to do a free census check (which doesnt show you very much) and I found one which I assume is the one but it said FREDK W HOE aged 19. Not sure if this is how it was recorded?

many thanks
Cathie

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Feb 2009 16:42

Cathie

Here is the 1901 and thanks for info.

1901 England Census
about Edwin Hoe
Name: Edwin Hoe
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Albert E Hoe
Name: Albert E Hoe
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Finedon, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Fredk Wm Hoe
Name: Fredk Wm Hoe
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Archibald Hoe
Name: Archibald Hoe
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Finedon, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Gerald C Hoe
Name: Gerald C Hoe
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Finedon, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

Continue.....














***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Feb 2009 16:48

Cathie

1901 Continued....

1901 England Census
about Mary L Hoe
Name: Mary L Hoe
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Female
Where born: Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Wilfred H Hoe
Name: Wilfred H Hoe
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Isabella Tinker
Name: Isabella Tinker
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Upton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

Edwin a Station Master
Albert a Railwat Clerk
Frederick,Archibald,Gerald

Address Bank Terrace written as Bank Ter...maybe Terrace









CasCas

CasCas Report 8 Feb 2009 16:48

Michell
Thanks very much for your prompt reply - really useful!
Best wishes
Cathie

Marion

Marion Report 9 Feb 2009 09:33

Hi hope you can help. I am trying to find the parents of Mary Ellen Ryan born 1890. I dont know where she was born. She married Frank Hand in 1913. She Had a dughter Lucy May in 1911 and further children after 1913. Can you help.
Thanks marion

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 9 Feb 2009 12:58

Marion

Without 1 of the parents names its only guess work.This is just a few of the Mary Ellen's born in or around 1890

Name Year of Registration Quarter of Registration District County View Image Order Record
View Record

Preview
Name: Mary Ellen Ryan
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Whitechapel
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c

Take a look at the picture to see even more.

See more

Mary Ellen Ryan 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Whitechapel London, Middlesex
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Chorlton Lancashire
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Newcastle Upon Tyne Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Chester Cheshire, Flintshire
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec Whitehaven Cumbria, Cumberland
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1889 Oct-Nov-Dec Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1891 Jan-Feb-Mar Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1888 Jan-Feb-Mar Hartlepool (1859-1938) Durham
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Preston Lancashire
View Record

Mary Ellen Ryan 1892 Jul-Aug-Sep Warrington Cheshire, Lancashire

Obviously the Lancashire 1's are the most likely as the marriage was in Lancashire.
I could show you possibles but without a father's name i could not say for sure.I would advise you to get the marriage cert to see father's name and then i should be able to find her.

Here is the marriage record so you can order the cert

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Mary E Ryan
Name: Mary E Ryan
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Hand
District: Prescot
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 1209 (click to see others on page)

Frank Hand 1913 Ryan Prescot Lancashire


Mary E Ryan 1913 Hand Prescot Lancashire



Michelle



K

K Report 9 Feb 2009 13:15

Michelle, would be grateul if you can trace William Lilley on 1851,61 & 91 census. He was born 1848/49. On 1871 & 1901 census his birthplace is Bolingbroke Lincs. On 1881 its Boston, Lincs. He married in 1870 - I have his marriage cert which states his occupation as Labourer, his father was Samuel Lilley, Labourer. He was residence at time of marriage Drypool, Hull. He married Mary Anne Smith at Bloxholme, Lincs. So far I have been unable to trace Birth records. He is living in Hull area on all the census I have.
Thanks
Kats

CasCas

CasCas Report 9 Feb 2009 21:47

Hi Michelle
Please could you do a census lookup for the census that came before 1879 for these 2 families if at all poss:
*Louisa b1851, Eliza b1853, Isabella b1845 TINKER poss born Upton Notts
and
Edwin HOE b1852 Southwell Notts

Many thanks
Cathie