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Greeting’s Again Frances. . . . I Think this is the Alice Lyndia you want ? 1881. Census. . . . Dwelling: Census Place: (Breedon On The Hill) Worthington, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341749 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3140 Folio 15 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John FRANCIS, M. 37. M. Shelsley Kings, Worcester, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Labourer Esther FRANCIS. M 32. F Stockton, Worcester, England Rel: Wife Alfred John FRANCIS. 12 M Stockton, Worcester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Ellen Elizth. FRANCIS. 10 F Africk, Worcester, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Edwin Joseph. FRANCIS. 7 M Leigh, Worcester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar * Alice Lydia FRANCIS. 8 mths. F. Worthington, Leicester, England Rel: Dau. * Birth Certificate. July Qrt. 1880. Ashby de la Zouch. Certificate. No. 7a 100. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BIRD. . .Choice of two. . . I like the 1st. one as it’s near to Hathern as you mentioned. And it’s a bit romantic same village as Alice.. .Arh :0))) Dwelling: Census Place: (Breedon On The Hill) Worthington, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341749 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3140 Folio 20 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John BIRD. M. 30. M. Worthington, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Agricultural Labourer Elizabeth BIRD. M. 35. F. Worthington, Leicester, England Rel: Wife Joseph BIRD. 4. M. Worthington, Leicester, England Rel: Son. Birth certificate No. not found yet. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Or the Coal Mining Connection mentioned :- Dwelling: Ellistown Row No 2 Census Place: Ibstock, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341748 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3135 Folio 98 Page 22 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William BIRD. M. 36. M. Coleorton, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner Sarah BIRD. M. 35. F. Whitwick, Leicester, England Rel: Wife John BIRD. U 13 M. Whitwick, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Colliery Labour Jane BIRD. 10. F. Whitwick, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William BIRD. 6. M Whitwick, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Herbert BIRD. 4. M Whitwick, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Annie BIRD. 2. F Whitwick, Leicester, England Rel: Daur * Joseph BIRD. 4 mths. M. Ibstock, Leicester, England Rel: Son. * Birth Certificate. Jan. Qrt. 1881.Market Bosworth. Certificate No. 7a. 83. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1861. Scanned Census. . . . . RG 9 / 2269 / page 36. Worthington Fields. . . William Bird. Head. Mar. 36.Ag. Lab & Farm Hand. Elizabeth. Wife. Mar. 37. Frances. Dau. U Mar. 14. James. Son. 12. Carters Boy. JOHN BIRD. Son.10. Scholar. Jane. Dau. 8. Scholar. Elizabeth Dau. 6. Scholar. Joseph. Son. 4. All Born in Worthington. * * * * * * * * * * * * * RG 9 / 2272 / Page 12a. Worthington Village or Peggs Green ( not clear) John Bird. Head. Mar. 51. Coal Miner. Born Breedon. Elizabeth. Wife. 51. Born Worthington. Harriet. Dau. Un Mar. 18. Seamer Stockings. Born Thringstone. WILLIAM. Son.16. Coal miner. Born Coleorton. Eliza, Dau,15.Seamer Stockings. Born Thringstone. James. Son. 11. Scholar. Born Thringstone. William. G/Son. 4. Born Thringstone. MIKE.

Greeting's Jan & Frances. . . Ashby de la Zouch Records does come under Leicestershire. But to be honest it's a very gray area. MIKE. Ashby-de-la-Zouch Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Leicestershire, but included parts of Derbyshire. Sub-districts : Ashby-de-la-Zouch; Hartshorn; Measham; Whitwick. GRO volumes : XV (1837-51); 7a (1852-1930). Appleby Magna North (from 1897), Appleby Magna South, Ashby de la Zouch, Ashby Woulds, Bardon (from 1862), Blackfordby, Chilcote (from 1895), Coalville, Coleorton, Donisthorpe (from 1897), Heather, Hugglescote and Donington, Measham (from 1897), Nether Seal (1837-97), Normanton le Heath, Oakthorpe (from 1897), Osgathorpe, Over Seal (1837-97), Packington, Ravenstone, Snarestone, Snibston (from 1884), Staunton Harold, Stretton en le Field (from 1897), Swannington, Swepstone, Thringstone, Whitwick, Willesley (from 1897), Worthington.

Greeting’s Elizabeth. . . I seem to remember you asking about these before ? So rechecked Market Bosworth again 1841.Scanned Census. But drawn a blank . . .But remembered you stated you thought Samuel & Mary were Married in Tamworth. But since you last asked I have purchased Warwickshire 1841. Scanned Census. So. . . . BINGO ! ! Got them. . . . HO107 / 1130 / Page 27. No. 1. or No. 2. Collage Lane,Tamworth. (1st entry of Collage Lane) Samuel Paviour. Head. 20. Bricklayer. Born within the County of Warwickshire. Mary Paviour. Wife. 20. Born outside of County of Warwickshire. No other people with them. Also found them on the 1881. Census. With Family. See Bellow :- MIKE. Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household Household:Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Samuel PAVIOUR Head M Male 61 Tamworth, Stafford, England Bricklayer Mary PAVIOUR Wife M Female 61 Market Bosworth, Leicester, England Wife Joseph PAVIOUR Son U Male 27 Tamworth, Stafford, England Bricklayer John PAVIOUR Son U Male 23 Tamworth, Stafford, England Painter Source Information: Dwelling 102 Gungate Census Place Tamworth, Stafford, England Family History Library Film 1341663 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2768 / 30 Page Number 5

Mike the oracle!! How do you know so much?? In reply to your reply! Elizabeth Staniforth nee Hincks (sister of Richard Hincks senior b.1830) married George Staniforth (brother of Farmer senior b.1835!). As you said she is with her father, Thomas Hincks on the 1841 and 61, missing from the 1851. Following your advice I shall continue to search for George and see what happened to that line! Richard Hincks junior - offspring of Richard senior, I agree with your comments as to parentage. There is a record of his birth on the IGI, but again, no mother mentioned. I would love to know who she is/was, as this is my direct line. Richard juniors daughter Ethel Hincks married William Staniforth, Farmer juniors son!! Can you see as to why I am so confused as to who is who in my tree? This is just the beginning of the two famillies marrying into each other! ARGH!!! Will I ever unravel the mess and mystery??? Thanks for your help once again! Sarah

Greeting's Again Geraldine. . . . Unfortunately my 1841. Census only covers Leicester and Leicestershire. and Rutland was a county on it's own rights then. and passions still run high for it to remain that way today. But having said that I know volunteer's are busy transcribing Rutland's records in fact the 1861 Census. ( CD No. 43.) has just been released. £10.50. from the Leicester & Rutland Family History web site, or order from :- The Family History Book Shop. c/o Typewriter Centres. 101, High Street. LEICESTER. LE 1 4 JB. phone No. 0116 253 8745. ( ask for Peter ) Sorry but my Burial records only cover Leicester & Leicestershire. But if you post the details of whom your looking for in Staffs. I'll see what comes up with my V R I burial disks You never know ?. . . . MIKE.

Greeting's Again Sarah. . . Simple. . . .Disown them. . . .. . . .lol :0))) " I Sarah wish to withdraw from this game and take my bat & ball home with me So there :P ". . .lol :0))) On that I G I result does it give a date ? if so post it and I'll see if I can pin point it for a certificate Number ?

Greeting's Again Frances. . . Your very Welcome M' Duck. . . That lot took me till 4.00 am this morning to sort out for you. I see that Alice was in Worcester on the 1901 Census ! ! ! on the 1901 web site records so you might not be finished yet ? By the way if you visit the Church at Breeden take your hiking boots it sits on the top of a very step hill. . . I'm not to sure but there maybe a car park at the top MIKE.

Mike, Can i have another 1861 look up pleeeeaaaaaaasssseee?? i am after Joseph Hickling b.1798, Leicester, gardener/green grocer. in 1851 he was at 13 Conduit st, with family including - wife Sarah, 1798, William 1831, Sarah 1832, Joseph 1834, Mary 1837, Henry 1839. i have them all in 1881, 1891 & 1901 too, thank you so much AGAIN. Jane x

MIKE Stomping back from the other boards in a sulk (lol). No date on IGI....... But have just found a potential birth certificate on GRO, June 1856, Hinckley...... Have ordered the certificate, so will be in touch if it looks like the right one with a mothers name, so I can beg and plead with you to do a look up!!!! :-} Sarah

Eh up Jane. . . . Hot off the presses . . . . RG 9 / 2284 / Page 52. 13 Conduit Street Leicester. Joseph Hickling. Head.Mar. 57. Gardener. Mary. Un Mar. 24. Gardener's Dau. Henry. Son. Un Mar. 22. Gardener. MARY ANN HICKLING. 5. GRAND DAU. All born within the The City of Leicester. * * * * * * * * * * * You can get off your knees now. . .lol :0)))) Scan on it's way via E-mail. . . MIKE.

Mike, Cheers me dears......... Very kind of you..... as usual ! am sure i'll be in touch soon, Jx

Ummm and I bet it begins with "Gri.. . ." :0)))

hubby is looking for CASTERTON families in epingham,rutland,leics susie

Greeting’s Again Tracey. . . Think this is the young Lady you want ? 1851. Index Census. Lyddington RUTLAND. GILLHAM ANNE DAU 9 2093 126 LYDDINGTON GILLHAM HARRIET WIFE 38 2093 126 LYDDINGTON GILLHAM THOMAS WHEELER HEAD 49 2093 126 LYDDINGTON GILLHAM THOMAS WHEELER SON 10 2093 126 LYDDINGTON MERRITT JANE VSTR 19 2093 126 LYDDINGTON WATTS ARTHUR VSTR 8 2093 126 LYDDINGTON WATTS AUGUSTA VSTR 27 2093 126 LYDDINGTON WIGNELL ANN NURS 33 2093 126 LYDDINGTON Other 9 year olds in Village to note. Ann Bent. 9 Dau. 2093 / 137. Ann Frisby. 9. Gr / Dau. 2093 / 135. Anne Partridge. 10. Dau. 2093 / 190. MIKE. Susie. . . I'll have a look when I get back from Church 8.00 pm ish MIKE.

mike thankyou for offering,your an angel susie

Greeting’s Susie. . . These are from the Index Census 1851. CASTERTON EUSEBIUS SERV 24 2092 154 EMPINGHAM Name. Forenames. Rel. Age. 2093 / 144 EMPINGHAM CASTERTON JACHARIAH HEAD 57 CASTERTON JANE WIFE 46 CASTERTON OGDEN SON 20 CASTERTON JONAH SON 18 CASTERTON ELLEN DAU 13 CASTERTON EMMA DAU 11 CASTERTON JAMES SON 8 CASTERTON URIAH SON 6 CASTERTON WILLIAM SON 4 CASTERTON CHRISTIAN SON 4 2093 / 164 EMPINGHAM CASTERTON RICHARD HEAD 50 CASTERTON SARAH WIFE 46 CASTERTON URIAH WILLIAM SON 23 CASTERTON CHARLES SON 12 CASTERTON JOHN SON 9 MIKE.

Greeting's Again Tracey. . . . Your very Welcome. . . . Nice when it comes together ain't it . . . :0))))) MIKE.

mike thankyou so much!!! youve made an old man very happy lol(hubby not me)lol susie

LOL :0))) Tell him I know the feeling . . .:0))) By the way just had a look NO HOUCHEN 'S in the County of Rutland. . . . MIKE.

There were HOUCHENs in Fincham, Norfolk. I know 'cos I did some research there years ago (when my father was the Rector) for some folks in NZ. Christine