Genealogy Chat

Hi Mike! Its been a while since I asked for a favour (well about a fortnight!), and I was wondering if I could ask for your help. I am looking to trace unknown unknown (lol!), who was married to Richard Hincks, born Barwell in 1830/31. They had a son Richard born 1855. I have found a Richard of the right age and birthplace on later census's (81+91),both in Derby and married to a woman who was from Derby - maybe a second wife, maybe the first. It doesnt feel right though and I wondered if you could check the 51/61 census records for me?? Thankyou duckie (again!) Sarah

Hi Jon I dont know whether these will be of any use till Mike gets back to you. Tomkins marriages St Margarets William Simpson 1875 Lucy Pepper Ambrose 1865 Elizabeth Tebbutt Benjamin 1870 Sarah Ann Sims Caroline 1881 Francis Leeson Elizabeth 1866 James Warner Emma 1882 John Thomas Merrall George 1851 Eliza Gregory Jane 1887 Henry Langton Louisa 1860 Henry Hunt Mary 1842 Thos Gilbert Badcock Mary Ann 1873 Alfred Thorton Samuel 1870 Elizabeth Tomlin Sarah Ann 1861 Henry Quinn Thomas 1851 Anne Rennie

Beverly Thanks for stepping in, not often Mike has to take a back seat ! (he probably won't talk to me now). Those details are just what I needed. Jon

Greeting’s Again. . . Beverly A big THANK YOU. .And as you said this tread is for anyone to help out. . Looks like I’ll be busy with all the last lot coming in. . . Once again THANK YOU. . . MIKE. Greeting’s Again John. . . . No problems John I hope Beverly has given you a new line to follow. . . If you get stuck then just post it on here. And We’ll see if we can throw any light on it for you. . . . By the way did you phone Peter re Philimores Marriages? MIKE.

Greeting's Frances. . . . . Have you any idea where Joseph Bird & Alice L. Frances were born and a year ? Is that year. . . ." 1917 " right ? There are no Census out yet that we can view for that year. . My disks cover 1841. through to 1891 for the County and City. (except 1871 which is not due out till 2005.) MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Gerald. . . Burials for Baxter’s In Rutland:- Sorry no records found for Greetham it’s self. . .So. . . Next Village to Greetham. . . MARKET OVERTON - RUTLAND BAXTER JOSEPH 07 NOV 1814 1 MARKET OVERTON - RUTLAND BAXTER THOMAS 08 DEC 1831 49 MARKET OVERTON - RUTLAND BAXTER ELIZABETH 22 AUG 1839 24 MARKET OVERTON - RUTLAND BAXTER ANN 17 JUL 1863 76 MARKET OVERTON - RUTLAND BAXTER JOHN 22 DEC 1892 83 DIED 19 DEC MARKET OVERTON - RUTLAND BAXTER MARY 31 MAR 1902 89 DIED 27 MAR EMPINGHAM - RUTLAND BAXTER LUCY 16 MAY 1823 INF EMPINGHAM - RUTLAND BAXTER FREDERICK 09 JUL 1880 20 Oakham. . . OAKHAM - RUTLAND BAXTER ELLEN ELIZABETH 25 OCT 1871 1YR 7MTHS Interesting one.? . . SOUTH LUFFENHAM - RUTLAND BAXTER FRANCES 29 MAR 1814 81 UPPINGHAM - RUTLAND BAXTER MARY 26 FEB 1827 62 That should keep you busy. . .lol :0))) MIKE.

Hi Beverly, I think my Strettons from Gretton in Northants were probably from Leicester before 1800. Crista

Hello Mike, Well I have finally put my Ringrose's together with your help.I am going to go along with the information that I have that William Ringrose was from Naseby Northants thanks for all you did there in helping me. If you ever go over to Northants record office would you let me know as I am starting now to research husband's tree and I believe they came from Northants on the census forms I have three diferent places of birth Brigstock Braisworth and Brickworth, but I have looked in a map book and I can only see a place called Brigstock, would you agree on that Mike? Anyway if you are calling there in the near future could you let me know, thanks Mike Sue.........................

Greeting’s & Welcome. . . Deborah. . . Going on the details from the 1881. Census ( see below) By the way George’s Children might have gone to the same Jnr. School has me ( Medway St.) . . .lol :0))) I passed they door 4 times a day. Dwelling: 39 Biddulph St Census Place: Leicester St Margaret, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341753 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3159 Folio 117 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George TILLSON. M 28 M Stony Stanton, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Frame Work Knitter Jane TILLSON. M 26 F Northampton, England Rel: Wife Occ: Shoe Machinist Sarah TILLSON.U 5 F Leicester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Richard TILLSON.U 3 M Leicester, England Rel: Son Mary J. CARTER.U 9 F Leeds, York, England Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar. This is what I’ve found out. 1861. Scanned census. . . GR9 / 2259 / 126. Long Street, Stoney Stanton.( Next door to Blue Bell Pub.) Jane Tillson. Head. 51. Mar. Washerwoman. Born Desford, Leicestershire. John. Son.26. Stocking Frame Knitter. Born Desford. Ann. Dau. 15. Seamer of Stockings. Born Stoney Stanton. GEORGE. Son. 7. Born Stoney Stanton. This lead on to finding a Marriage :- Thomas Tillson. Jane Holiland. 1832. at Desford. By Banns. * * * * * * * * * * 1851. Index ONLY. Stoney Stanton. Jane Tillson. 42. John. 16. Amy.14. * * * * * * * * 1841. Scanned Census. . . HO107 / 603 / Page 11. Village of Stoney Stanton. Jane Tillson. 30. Stocking Maker. Elizabeth. Dau.8. Ditto. Amy. Dau. 5. John not found ? All born within the County. * * * * * * * * * * * * * STONEY STANTON BURIALS FOUND:- Jane Tillson. 20th.April. 1885. Aged 75. Amy Tillson. 1st.May. 1860. Aged 23. Ann Tillson. 20th.March. 1843. Infant. HAVE NOT FOUND THOMAS DEATH YET. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1891. Index Census City of Leicester. Film No. 2525. Folder No. 60. (Somewhere within the City) George Tillson. Head. Mar.38. Jane. Wife.36. Sarah. Dau. 15. Richard. Son.13. Bertha Helen. Dau.7. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now the other query. Re Newell . I’ve only had a quick look. . . so far. 1891. Index Census. Film No. 500. Folder No.47. Littlethorpe, Leicestershire. Joshua Newell. Brother. Aged 65. Eli Newell. Brother. 59. Eliza Newell. Grand Dau.24. LUCY NEWELL. Grand Dau. 7. No sign of her Mother though. Newell Burials found :- NARBOROUGH. NEWELL SARAH. 25. MAY 1883. Aged 56. Time to blow out hat Candle now me thinks. . . . MIKE.

Greeting's Sue. . . . So glad we have put those critters to bed. . .lol :0))) Now you only got one out of three ...sorry. BRIGSTOCK . . south of Corby. BILSWORTH.. . A43 from Northampton close to Silverstone race Track. BRIXWORTH. . .North of Northampton next to Pitsford Reservoir. . . . I'll let you know if I'm venturing south. . . . MIKE.

Hi Crista Theres so many Strettons around Leicester and Leicestershire we are all probably related one way and another. Ive only got back to the late 1700. to a samuel stretton born coleorton Beverly

Hi Anybody who wants St Margarets Marriages. Theres a few on Stmargs.html just scroll down when on site to intials Beverly

Greeting Again Sarah. . . Ummmmm. . . . Is this the Richard from 1881.Census ? Dwelling: Lane Head Census Place: Matlock, Derby, England Source: FHL Film 1341826 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3451 Folio 46 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Richd. HINKS M 50 M Barwell, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Game Keeper Jane HINKS M 49 F Alderwasley, Derby, England Rel: Wife Henry NETTLETON 1 M Bakewell, Derby, England Occ: Nurse Child. I think I’ve found him in Barwell 1861. GR 9 2262 / page 34a. 18 doors down from the Red Lion Pub Thomas Hincks. Head .Widow.74. Cotton FWK. Elizabeth STANIFORD.Dau.33. Mar. FWK. RICHARD HINCKS. Son. 31. Un Mar. FWK. Ann. ? ? ? Dau. 27. Un Mar. FWK. RICHARD HINCKS. Gr/Son. 5. Scholar. Samuel STANIFORD. Gr/Son. 10. FWK. All Born in Barwell. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Was this not the same one to do with A FRAMER STANIFORD ? 1851. Census Index ONLY. . . . Thomas Hincks. 62. Richard. 21. Ann. 17. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1841. Scanned Census. . . HO107 / 600 / 07 / Page 35. Village of Barwell. Thomas Hincks. 50. FWK. Elizabeth. 18. Prudence. 15. RICHARD. 11. FWK. Ann. 8. All Born within the County. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ask your self why Richard should go from a FWK to Head Game Keeper ? But note spelling of Hincks this time (1881). Has you said not sure if it’s the right one in 1881.? But the dates fit and the place of birth. . . . has to Marriages There is no details of a 1st Marriage found but where did his Son Richard come from in 1861. ? So I think you go with it for the moment. . . ( You want the coin to toss up with ? baggy HEADS. . ) lol :0)) MIKE. P S. Looks like Richard son of. . . stayed in Barwell. . . 1891. Index Census. . . Film No. 2505 / Folder No. 40. Village of Barwell. Richard Hincks. 36. Ellen Wife. 33. Cecilia. Dau. 12. Joseph. Son. 9. Richard. Son. 7. Ethel A. Dau. 5. Ada. Dau. 4. MIKE.

Mike I incorrectly thought the Phillimore's was the only searchable outlet for the marriages i needed,- how wrong can you be - Beverly has given much detail. Are details for All Saints, St Martins and St Georges marriages also readily available, if so can you please list same for TOMKINS entries?. I live in hope !! Jon

Hi Looking for Harry Wallace and any Family born belton 1852 anything will help Thanks Tracy

Hello again Mike, thanks for looking! My apologies for my confusion. Yes this is the one that is linked to Farmer Staniforth, however, as I was researching the Staniforths before, I got mixed up on my Hincks. The Hincks and Staniforths have married into each others famillies three times (so far in my research!), and it is so confusing! My problem is then, who is Richard Hincks (b.1855) mother? Given that he is residing with his father on the 1861, and his father is stated as unmarried? I have tried 1837 for a birth registration - nothing..... Cant find any Richard Hincks marriage Leics or Derby between 1844-1855 either (they may have married later I guess, but this doesnt explain the mothers absence in the 1861) Any ideas on where I should go next? As for the 1881, I don't know. I think its possible, but not likely this is Richard senior, there is the spelling error of course, the job change and the "nurse child" - what is that all about?! More confused than ever.... Re tossing the coin - I bet heads wins, but am willing to try double or quits on this family....lol! Thanks Mike ;-)) Sarah

Hi Jon sorry i cant get anything on those you mentioned but if i do come across them ill let u know Beverly

Greeting’s Again Sarah. . . Having blown up scan of that 1861 Census 300%. . . Ann ??? reads “ Ditto “ making her the Dau of Thomas Hincks. My thoughts on the others. . . . Has the names of Elizabeth, Richard, and Ann. Have been with Thomas from 1841. Except Elizabeth in 1851.But she is not in the County that Census as either a Hincks. Staniford or Staniforth, But is back in 1861.With Samuel. ( No Male Burials found in Barwell in any of those names or of the right age.) Now the Crimean Wars were about to start around this time. ( 1854 ~ 1856 ) Wonder if Hubby was involved with that and was killed abroad ? As for Richard Jnr. I think he belongs to Richard Snr. By Female unknown ? Finally to finish on for now. . . from my little book :- Nurse Child :- A child being looked after by another family for payment MIKE.

Beverly Many thanks, would appreciate that. Jon

Frances If you mean Ashby de la zouch, that is in Leicestershire (North West to be precise!) I'm just off to the library (COALVILLE) and I was thinking: I'm going to be looking at parish registers so if I find out exactly what's held at the library I could offer next time to trawl through them for any one wanting a lookup. would there be any takers?