Genealogy Chat

hi derek

Thanks for the info can you find for me where john shaw was born in 1809 also his wife anne allcock

also more info pllz on eliza their other daughter b1841 and her child john

many thanks

Hi Sarah...........after some more investigation I have discovered that John Shaw married ANN OATS not Allcock........I missed a Codnor marriage..sorry

Ann Oats was born Codnor 1813..no parenst found yet
John Shaw born Codnor 1809 son of John and Ann

Sarah Shaw born Codnor 1834 and ELIXA 1841

Eliza Shaw married Thomas Wheeldon and on the death of her mother she and her family were joined by her widowed father.

They married at Codnor 28.01.1858 when he was 22 and she 17

They had the following children:

John 1859
George 1862
Thomas 1864
Ann S 1870

These are all on the 1871 Census.

Derek

hi derek

can you lookp up dennis wragg b abt 1774 father dennis mother jane also lookup dennis wragg b 1742 mathlock (father) and see if he had brother john wragg b abt 1730 darley or are they two different famillies

many thanks

Hi Sarah..yo0u have to be very careful with the WRAGG name..a very common Derbyshire name.
I have been researching Derbyshire families for several years and WRAGG is one of the most difficult to accurately trace from generation to generation.

I have the parish records for Matlock. Matlock Cromford and for Darley Dale..........among many others........so i am in a position to give you more accurate info than those who rely on IGI and Census records.

So......the FACTS are these:

The only John Wragg born at Darley Dale in the 1730's was norn 1736 son of Samuel and he died in 1736.........Samuel named his `next child John in 1737. This often happened.so John is not the brother of Dennis.
which is not to say that there might be a John Wragg born Darley Abbey Derby.....but I can't find him.....he would obviously be of a different family anyway.

DENNIS WRAGG 06.03.1742 was one of the children of JOB WRAGG and ALICE nee YATES

DENNIS married JANE SMITH 23.04.1764 and one of their children was DENNIS WRAGG 19.06.1774

For your information.....Dennis and Jane had the following additional children:

TOMESIA 13.10.1771
ALICE 03.07.1765
HANNAH 20.07.1766

Please let me know if I can take this any further

Derek

hi derek

WOW

Thanks for the info on the wraggs can you find out abot job and alice plz also would like info on tomesia b 1771 alice b 1765 and hannah 1766

many thanks

Hi Derek

I just read that the next time you go to Matlock you'll be having a look at the Kirk Langley records for Chris. I did post on page two of this thread with my query and wondered if you'd be able to have a look for me. My query was

'Hi Derek, thanks for the offer of help. Two things I am looking for, the first is the birth/christening for Ellen Gregson around 1782. in all the census she says she's from Longford but her age is never quite so certain. She married John Sherratt 1807 Kirk Langley, Derbyshire.

The next one I'm looking for is Samuel Sherratt who is living with the above Ellen and John in Kirk Langley on the 1841 census aged 6. I've not found a birth for him although all their other children can be found on the IGI. so a birth/christening for him would be great plus a mention of who his parents might be????'

I've since got Samuels marriage certificate to Lucy Inkerson and where the name of the father should be, it says 'Ellen Sherratt" single woman.

I still can't find a baptism for him and I also wondered if there'd be a Bastardy order for him?

I appreciate your help and love reading your thread

Many thanks

Annette

Hi Annette..I have week off work next week, during which i shall visit Matlock..watch this space!!

Derek

Hi Derek, that's okay. Many thanks for your time.

It is interested that John Waters married to Hannah Sturland and Hannah Binge in same year. Must be two different John Waters.

I wonder which Hannah that she had first son, with John, Thomas who died in 1782 before their marriage.

I hope my Thomas' mother would be Hannah Sturland because he had two sons, named Sturland in their middle names in Westminster, London.

Cheers, Steven.

Steven..was not suggesting for one moment that He married both Hannah's..after all Hannah Sturland was heavily pregnant with Thomas when they married........and Thomas was born just after they married. he certainly did not die before they were married...so i just have to find the other son for you...I just added the hannah Binge as a curiosoity

Derek

Hi Derek,
Would you be so kind as to look up the following for me please......if they are there to be found?

I have a William Birkin Born 1740 from Aston upon Trent, whom I found on BIVRI, with his siblings and mother Elizabeth born abt. 1720. Film 1042080 1690-1812.

William married Hester Burrows born abt 1742 on 5/12/1763. I found this on the Breadsall parish registers.

This is just background.........as I would like you to try and find a marriage for Williams mother Elizabeth..........On IGI, I did find the following........... One James Berkin born abt 1720 Derby, who married an Elizabeth Ashton born abt 1720 from Aston upon Trent.

So far I have worked back to William finding just his mothers given name and birthplace but, I would appreciate it greatly if you could find some confirmation of a marriage for her so that I can try and confirm or discount the above couple. Elizabeth had 6 children whom I know of (Bivri).........so anything you could discover would be helpful.
Thankyou in advance Derek.

Jen

Hi Derek, read you are going to Matlock, so can I add to your workload please.

I have a Robert Hall born c1786 who married Grace Robinson born c1790. I think I have found all their children.

If you could confirm that John Hall born c 1760 who married Ellen Kinder born c 1760 is Robert's father I would be very grateful. Pushing my luck here, but if you should come across any other info, that would be great.

Good luck in Matlock, think you are going to be very busy.

Hi again Derek, I will definately keep watching,

thanks again.

Annette

Visiting Matlock Records Office this Friday (17th July)

Derek

Hi Derek,

It's very good of you to update us re your next visit to the records office. Many thanks for all the look ups you do for us.

Chris

Joan..I'm afraid I rather let you down, didn't find what you wanted because i can't find the message that gives the place.......if you can remind me where they were married I'll have another look next week.

Derek

Jen..re the Birkins.......I found the following:

Both William and John Birkin.sons of James and Elizabeth were baptised on the same day 26.08.1740..Aston on trent....no toher details.
If James married Elizabeth Ashton it was not at Aston.

Derek.

Hi Annette......

Have been unable to find the birth of Ellen Gregson 1782..but will continiue looking....

I can tell you that ELLEN GREGSON married JOHN SHERRATT aqt Kirk langley 11.05.1807(witnesses THOMAS Gregson.andMary Gray)..suggesting her father was Thomas.

Also I have found the baptism of SAMUEL SHERRATT 07.02.1835..and his mother is Ellen Sherratt.Spinster and he is listed as illegitimate

Which bespeaks an interesting little scandal of Ellen being very naughty and her husband John agreeing to accept her child Samuel as his own.............or not!!

Very curiously my own mother was an illegitimate daughter of one ELLEN GREGSON!!.....(in Lancashire)

Bad lot those Gregson!!

Another intersting fact is that the highest concentration of the name GREGSON in 1801 and in1901 in the whole of the UK was in Preston Lancashire..so there is a fair chance that the forebears of your Ellen came from there.

All the best

Derek.

Hello Derek,

I 'm not sure where. Has to be, Chapel,or Hayfield . I have tracked a lot down in the Chapel le Frith area, and Hayfield. To save you looking back, I'll do a quick copy and paste for you, under this. Sorry I can't be more specific.

I have a Robert Hall born c1786 who married Grace Robinson born c1790. They married 16/07/1811 in Chapel. I think I have found all their children.

If you could confirm that John Hall born c 1760 who married Ellen Kinder born c 1760 is Robert's father I would be very grateful. Pushing my luck here, but if you should come across any other info, that would be great.

Thanks a million Derek for the Birkins info.
Guess I'll have to look elsewhere in Derby for a possible marriage, as I still need to confirm Liz's maiden name.
You've been a geat help Derek, I appreciate this. Thanks again.

Good morning Joan........I have found the marriage of Robert hall to Grace Robinson 16.07.1811..and the witnesses ..Henry lomas and Thomas Mellor.

Have found the Baptism of JOHN HALL 20.04.1760..son of Henry

These are from Bishops Transcripts for Chapel en Le Frith..which strabgely do not include a Marriage for John or a Birth for Robert.

Have looked at Hayfield and other High peak records..no joy yet...but I'll find him!!!

Lots of Halls at Chapel for the period you're searching!!


Derek