Genealogy Chat

Hi Creeky..........My initial enquiries come up with:-

William Tatham (1767) and Sarah (1772) .He was a framework knitter of ilkeston.

DAVID TATHAM their son (1801-1876) married ANN LIMB (25.12.1821) ..and had six chidren between 1827 and 1840.

The only BENJAMIN TATHAM i can find at the moment was also born c1800..appears to have married twice September 1850 and March 1863..and he died 1879.BUT..

I can't find him on any Census.

I will search the Ilkeston parish records for you tomorrow.and get back to you

Derek

ADDITIOIN 17.25.Have found Benjamin Tatham (Needlemaker) in pigots 1835 directory...gives me a start.

Hello Derek
Thanks for working on this so quickly.
If it helps my Benjamin info. is............................
b.1800/01 taken from census details 1841 to 1871.. died 1879
m.1822 Sarah Hardy (died 1845) -- 8 children
m. 1850 Ann Hardy (Wid. maiden name Scattergood) -- no children
From this last marriage cert. I got Benjamin's fathers name and occupation (William Tatham deceased, Frame Work Knitter)
I can't find bap. or birth giving William as father of Benjamin and would love to know who Williams wife and other children were.
You may well have cracked it with William 1767 & Sarah and the son David would link to other Tatham Trees on Genes. But wonder if Ben was a brother of David.
It does not help that the Tatham name was spelt and misspelt different ways (Tatum, Tatam, even Latham).
Also I have an idea that some records may be nonconformist.
The family seemed to have some links to Wes. Methodist.

Do hope this helps.
Thanks so much.

Hi jennifer..not going to be easy because Burton on trent is in Staffordshire..not Derbyshire..........I don't have the records but I will have a look around for you.
All the best

Derek

Suddenly, about 1800.....your Taham's appear......but not William and Sarah and not Benjamin, until his marriage to Sarah Hardy 26.08.1822..son of William and Sarah................
Now then..IGI have William and Sarah as coming from Yorkshire..probably already married and probably already parents of at least Benjamin..who was CERTAINLY not baptised at Ilkeston.

My suggestion is that he came to Ilkeston to find work and then married Sarah Hardy in 1822..and began his large family.....and built up his business as a Needlemaker.

I also have David tatham and Ann Limb..but that might not be a relation....

I found some of the children of Benjamin and sdarah..but by this time I was tired enough not to find them all::

Edmund 22.11.1824....may have read the actual date wrong but 1824 is ok

I probably missed the next three becasue i wasn't looking for them but the next four were:
MARIA 27.05.1831
ELIZA 29.09.1833
HERBERT 01.11.1835
MARY 02.09.1838

I have a whole list of Tatams and Tatems prior to 1800.and can work out most of their relationships to each other..but I feel that its irrelvant.because William tatham and his son Benjamin were not born in Ilkeston.

Hope this helps.

Derek

La Gooner...Hya trouble!!..........have`spent a lot of time on your Measham today....and to be honest..finding links between them is virtually impossible .at least for me..but I'm atill on it!!

Just for a laugh here are the very earliest Meashams measomes.Measums etc in Repton....possibly very valuable if we can link back that far..

ALES MEASOME b.06.08.1595
ANN d. of JOHN MEASUM died 02.09.1632
GILBERT son of William Meason 03.11.1599
MARGARET MEASON 30.07.1579
HANNAH dau of SARAH 29.02.1650
MARY dau of GILBERT MEASON buried 12.05.1635
SARAH dau of GILBERT MEASON buried 19.03.1636

GILBERT MEASOM son of Gilbert and Sarah bapt 31.03.1649

..then I got fed up!! lol

Derek

Me trouble ???? Never LOL. Thanks Derek they really are such a prolific family I don't think I'll ever sort them out. Latest ones since Grandad are very elusive to but still working at those as I would love to have contact. Fingers crossed. Thank you so much for looking for me. Best wishes.

Re. Tatham

Hello Derek
Thanks again for all your work yesterday.
Benjamin put me on the wrong track by giving his place of birth as Ilkeston on all the census 41-71.
I will now have to start looking at a Yorkshire link to find William's details.
You have helped me by giving William's wife as Sarah and all the children of Ben you found match my records but I now have an exact dates.

I so much appreciate the help you give.

Best wishes

Joan..apologies to you..I spent a very long time in Matlock Records Office but could not get to the Glossop Records cos someone else was hogging them all afternoon!!....Will definitley try again for you.

All the best

Derek

Hello Derek,

I'm off to the Mormons this afternoon, at long last some film has come in. It is Parish Records Hayfield area.. It has taken about 3 months to come in..........bet someone called Derek was sitting on them LOL.

Margaret has been a little gem. She has come up with a possibility of Robert Hall being christened 10/05/1789....at Taxal, Whaley Bridge. The parents are John Hall and Ellen. Kinder. Married 18/03/1745. Would you be able to check that out for me ?

I'm not sure what will turn up this afternoon with the Mormons. I will let you know this evening. Knowing my luck it will turn up even more questions.

Will catch you later. Cheerio.

Hi again Derek, not a lot of joy I'm afraid. I had the film of Hayfield church records. Unfortunately when I got to the late 1700s most of the records were illegible. I don't know if your Matlock ones are clearer,

It was so frustrating, I am stuck now. So any help you may be able to offer will be more than gratefully received.

Margaret was a big help. I didn't realize how important knowing the geography of an area could be. So it is nice being able to "chat" to a couple of locals.

How you manage to read some of those records I will never know. But along with quite a few others I'm glad you can.

Hello Derick,I don't want to be a pest, I am so excited that I think I may have found my Blackwell roots and wonder if you can confirm if on right track.I am up or back to Samuel Blackwell and Hannah Bagshaw m Jan 1796
Son James b 1811 wed Hannah Benison b 1813 April 1833.
Son Peter b 1833 wed Ann Lomas (Litton)b 1835 in 1858.
Daughter Hannah b 1869 wed Walter Timm b 1868.
Forgot to say all these people from Eyam up to last two who were born in Sheffield. What I would like if not too much trouble is to know if I am on right track please. So far hane certs to proove wedding of last two.

Hi Annina..nice to hear from you........lots of fun here..depending on how accurate your research has been in getting back to Samuel and Hannah.

Fun because SAMUEL BLACKWELL married HANNAH BAGSHAW 16.02.1748..........

AND....

SAMUEL BLACKWELL married HANNAH BAGSHAW 06.01.1796 !!!!!!!

I have the complete records for EYAM........and here are the children of both couples and their baptism dates:-

marriage 16.02.1748..

ALICE 14.07.1748 (naughty parents!!)
SARAH 07.10.1751
MARY 24.10.1753
ELLEN 24.04.1756
SAMUEL 28.08.1758
ELLIN 31.08.1761
FRANCES 24.04.1764
BETTY 21.04.1770

marriage of Samuel to Hannah Bagshaw 06.01.1796..could be Samuel b 1758.in the absence of any other..but would make him 38.....could be his second marriage..I'll look around for you. However they had the following children:

THOMAS 18.02.1798
PETER 22.12.1799
ISAAC 07.05.1805
SAMUEL 24.01.1808
RUTH 30.12.1810
JAMES 08.08.1813.

Your dates may be taken either from Census entries or from IGI..ignore them..they are either guesses or estimates......my dates are baptisms from original Parish Records...........

I only deal in facts,and where i am doubtful I offer a suggestion. as in the Second Samuel marriage......and his age........

Now I'll look at marriage for you.

more later

Derek

Hi Dereck, Nina here, yes all is as I found, Tonight I have spent more time going throu records and think that , If I am right about name spelling mix ups,Names mispelt, but dates tie up, I have reached back to ;
Francis Blackow? b 1639 d 1715, wed first to Ellen Bagshaw from Abney Grange, children Elizabeth 1670 and Francis 1671.
2nd Wife Jane , children, Ellen Mary Joseph,John,James,(mine)William and Thomas.
I hope this all makes sense, I'm excited because it has always been rumoured in my family, that we came through the Plague,and wether or not I have the correct people, I now know it for sure,Yipee.

Nina again just noticed exactly what you wrote, my Samuel and Hannah are the second option,did you notice only 2 kids survived childhood?
I didn't notice the first couple, that is why I need another set of eyes.And someone who actually knows what they are doing.

Hi Nina..yes it makes sense becasue i have all those records...as long as you can find positive links fron generstion to generation..........
Curious how often we get a Blackwell/Bagshaw`connection.

I am often cynical about how quickly some people all too eailsy jump to conclusions in order to "prove" their case........but in your case i think you have every right to be enthusiastic....this game is all about analysing co-incidences that keep croppoing up..and the blackwell Bagshaw link id one of them....and I think in this case they prove he point.

I live in Nottingham but my five generation back family are all Bakewell area...thus is have gathered loads of stuff that not only prove my heritage, but which latterly allow me to bev sure about the stuff i help others with.

Eyam is a case in point and i have a lot of stuff about the Plague.indeed i have all the people who died in the plague but those who survived....

Let me look at the records and I'll try to get you back as far as possible..

Like for instance:
Bridget blacklow married Abraham Bagshaw 27.10.1698

Francis Blackwell married Ellen Bagshaw 06.06.1667(Blackwall)

Francis blackwell married Mary Townsend 22.09.1734

more later

Derek

Looking again.I am pretty sure that Samuel who married Hannah Bagshaw 1748 is the father of your Samuel who married Hannah Bagshaw 06.01.1796.......

You're a worthy competitor!! you must have some good records.....now going to check Eyam Burials!!

ADDITION..Peter Blackwell married Ann Lomas 30.08.1858..no children at Eyam
James blackwell married Hannah bennison 08.04.1833

James and Hannha had the folllowing children:

Ann 18.01.1835
Bessy 28.05.1837
Samuel 26.05.1839
James 29.07.1841

Derek

Thank you Dereck you are a whole sky full of stars.The pre 1837 records I found by googling Eyam Parish records and there they were,all free,I havn't been doing research for very long, only since feb this year, I tend to take note of other peoples records but buy certs for confirmation. All my life I have felt rootless as we lived apart from the rest of the family so this is wonderful. As for Plague survivers, well, we are a humungous family,If I knew how to do it, I would let you into my tree, if your roots are in Bakewell, we may even be related!!! Luv for now, Nina

Annina......I have sent you a PM....and asked for access to your tree....all you have to do is click on ALLOW above the message......
I have added some info to that last message i wrote.....don't knoiw if you';ve got it.

Derek

Me again, Peter Blackwell and Ann Lomas were my gt gt grandparents and had at least six children, the youngest , Hannah, another one, was my gt Grandmother married to Walter Timm. Peter and wife moved to Sheffield for him to work in the coal mines.

Hi Derek Nina here, I forgot to say that I got my records at

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Eyam/RecordsBI.html..