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Hi RG,

thank you for you post!

I had not come across that entry in 1911 - in the 1901 it states his place of birth as Bucknell, Shropshire.

I will write the entry you found down and see if it relates anywhere along the line - it states nephew to Charles Williams - maybe I will come across Williams, it will be difficult though as I cannot seem to place Charles birth entry or parents etc. On the parish record for his marriage it says his dad's name is John Bowen. That doesnt really narrow it down much.
I've tried looking for a Charles and John Bowen in the 1881 as Charles would only have been 3-5 years old but going by the Bucknell, Shropshire birth place, I'm struggling .... or blind... :-D

Help is appreciated.

I wonder if John was a stepfather's name?


First name(s) Charles
Last name Bowen
Birth year -
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 07 Jan 1880
Denomination Anglican
Place Tugford
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Lizzie Bowen
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Baptism
Register date range 1813-1900
Archive reference P285/A/2/1
Page 43
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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© DC Thomson Family History

CHARLES
Last name BOWEN
Birth year 1880
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Ludlow
County Shropshire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 588
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast


No mother's maiden surname given on the GRO index so that looks to be the birth of the Charles above with mother Lizzie. Maybe she went on to marry someone called John.

Not seeing Charles in 1891 so he is maybe lurking under a stepfather's surname.

Bucknell, Shropshire can't be his place of birth, unless he was born under another surname.

Charles Christopher was the only Charles Bowen born in the right reg district for Bucknell, and we've ruled him out.

Also, 1901 is the only census in which a Charles Bowen born Bucknell appears.

I was also looking at the above with mother, Lizzie. Of course, his father could be made up. Was wondering about this 1881. Seemingly Munslow isn't far from Tugford. Bucknell is further away though.



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Craven Arms Road, Hopesay, Clun, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Herbert Teague Head Married Male 24 1857 Blacksmith Kempton, Shropshire, England
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Sarah Teague Wife Married Female 24 1857 Wife Of Blacksmith Clunton, Shropshire, England
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Mary Teague Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Infant Kempton, Shropshire, England
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Charles Bowen Boarder Single Male 1 1880 Infant Munslow, Shropshire, England

There are other Bucknell / Bucknalls - Oxfordshire, Lincolnshire, Staffordshire. Just thinking maybe the census clerk assumed he meant the Shropshire one.

Although I must admit that searches of the 1881 census on that basis don't produce any likely results.

Good thinking AG. Perhaps this one is worth looking at?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>John Bowen Head Married Male 60 1831 Potters Ovenman Burslem, Staffordshire, England
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Charlotte Bowen Wife Married Female 48 1843 - Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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>>Charles Bowen Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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Mary Bowen Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Potters Paintress Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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Beatrice Bowen Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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John M Bowen Grandson - Male 2 1889 - Halifax, Yorkshire, England


Distance between Bucknall and Penkhull is 12 min (3.7 mi) via A52.


EDIT This one married Sarah Ann Turner and stayed in Staffs. so he can be ruled out :-( :-(

just in case

John
Last name Bowen
Name note -
Marriage year 1880
Marriage date 01 Aug 1880
Marriage place Ludford
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Vaughan
County Shropshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Here is that marriage in more detail Maddie. They have both been widowed and John is a labourer. The family posted by rootgatherer in 1911 are Williams.


Shropshire marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Vaughan
Birth year 1859
Marriage year 1880
Marriage date 02 Aug 1880
Marriage place Ludford
Denomination Anglican
Residence Ludford
Age 21
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Williams
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Bowen
Spouse's residence Ludford
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Bowen
County Shropshire

Alviegal ,

is this a Eureka moment??

I was trying to connect the Charles Bowen RootsGatherer found as it states Nephew and the family were Williams, in your post, Elizabeth Vaughn's father is a Williams...does that mean Elizabeth was married before John Bowen as she isnt a Williams?

:-)

I was thinking they're both very young to be widowed but they are both ABOUT 21. John Powell and Eliza Powell? are the witnesses.
She makes her mark as Elizabeth Bowen late Vaughan. Her father is Thomas Williams, a labourer.

Copying over the 1911.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
110 St Anne St Chester, Chester, Cheshire, England

Charles Williams Head Married Male Labourer 39 1872 Flintshire Hammer
Elizabeth Williams Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Flintshire Hammer
>>Charles Bowen Nephew Married Male Labourer 33 1878 Flintshire Hammer
Fredrick Charles Mathews Boarder Married Male Traveler Dealer In Gramaphones 38 1873 America Resident
Agnes Mathews Boarder Married Female - 35 1876 Edinburgh Scotland
Robt Lindsey Mathews Boarder - Male - 4 1907 Leith Scotland
Hope Ernest Mathews Boarder - Male - 2 1909 Leith Scotland
Helen Hogg Price Boarder Widow Female Teacher Of Music 40 1871 Polton Lasswade
Helen Mary Price Boarder - Female - 8 1903 Berwick N B Mitchelstown Co Cork T


EDIT This may be his birth.


First name(s) Charles
Last name Bowan
Birth year 1879
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1879
Baptism day 21
Baptism month Sep
Place Hanmer
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

Sorry to harp back to it but the Charles in 1881 that is an infant is living in the same area as this Elizabeth. Could she be his mother? Also the head of the household where he is living is a Blacksmith. Co-incidence?


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Aston House, Mill Street, Hopesay, Clun, Shropshire, England
Thomas Poole Head Married Male 45 1836 Farmer 366a Employing 5 Men & 2 Boys Montgomeryshire, Wales
Margaret Poole Wife Married Female 43 1838 - Baschurch, Shropshire, England
Emma E Poole Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Farmers Daughter Shropshire, England
Edith M Poole Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Farmers Daur Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Thomas Poole Son Single Male 12 1869 Farmers Son Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Margaret B Poole Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Farmers Daur Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Catherine G Poole Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Farmers Daur Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Mary J Jukes Governess Single Female 24 1857 Farmers Daur (T) Rodington, Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Bowen Servant Single Female 19 1862 Domestic Servant Clunbury, Shropshire, England
James Corns Servant Single Male 14 1867 Farm Servant (Indoor) Clun, Shropshire, England
John Barratt Servant Single Male 15 1866 Farm Servant (Indoor) Clunbury, Shropshire, England

Can I just recap Alvie...

So Elizabeth and John were both widowed before they married one another?

So Elizabeth Williams married a Vaughn who died and then she went on to marry John Bowen?

So in the 1911 that you posted, Charles is named as a nephew but the Williams are his wifes family not his? and where is Elizabeth in 1911?

Sorry if I'm a bit confused :-S

???


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kempton (Village), Clunbury, Clun, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Woodhouse Head - Male 44 1827 - Shropshire, England
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Harriet Woodhouse Wife - Female 31 1840 - Shropshire, England
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Lizzie Bowen Step-Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Shropshire, England
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Alice Woodhouse Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Shropshire, England

Ahhh okay Rootsgatherer...

So does this all still tie in with what Alviegal is finding?

It seems to be all there?

So much info to take in !

Thank you so much for all your help,

I really appreciate your time


:-)

It certainly is most confusing. I'm afraid i have to go now but will look in tomorrow hopefully when my head's a bit clearer. :-S :-S

I wonder if this could be the Charles listed as nephew in 1911 but listed here in 1891 as Wiiliams? Just looking at the age gap between Charles and his younger sibling. Maybe clutching at straws though lol.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tallarn Green, Willington, Ellesmere, Shropshire, England

Thomas Williams Head Married Male 30 1861 Agricultural Laborer Flintshire, Wales
Elizabeth Williams Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Shropshire, England
Charles Williams Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Lillie Williams Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Fanny Williams Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Flintshire, Wales
Blanche Williams Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Flintshire, Wales

Thanks Alviegal ! I need fresh eyes too now!

Thanks Roots gatherer!

I will be coming back to this tomorrow to ty and piece it all together :-)

Hi all

Back to it !!

RG & Alvie - Do you think the 1901 census that states Charles as born in Bucknell is the correct one?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Winterbourne, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Harmer Head Married Male 61 1840 General Labourer Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Pamela Harmer Wife Married Female 58 1843 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Fanny Harmer Daughter Single Female 34 1867 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Thomas Harmer Son Single Male 21 1880 Stone Dresser Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Charles Bowen Boarder Single Male 23 1878 Black Smiths Striker Bucknell, Shropshire, England

I'm sticking with the 1911 of Charles living as Nephew with the Williams. Purely on the fact that it has been found his Mother - Lizzie's father is Williams
:-D