Find Ancestors

In the 1851 census I have James Dennett b. 1802 in St. Helens, wife Margaret b. 1809 in St. Helens, with children Elizabeth b. 1840 and Thomas b. 1849, both in Liverpool. I can't find any of them in the 1861 census. Can anyone help please.

I know that Thomas married in 1868 but it's the 1861 census I'm interested in.

Thank you.

looks like thomas with grandparents in 1861 i have not got sub to look up full census



Thomas Dennet
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name: Thomas Dennet
County: Lancashire
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Sub-District: 6 St Helens
Parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas
Registration District: Prescot
Age: 12
Gender: Male
Relationship to Head of Household: Grandson
Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household

1861 poss

Name: Thomas Dennet
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: 1849
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 223
Piece: 2750
Folio: 71
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Bolton 79
Ellen Bolton 79
Thomas Dennet 12

there are deaths in prescot for a james 1858 or 1857 and margaret 1852 or 1859

Thanks everyone ... it certainly looks like him. Those deaths for James and Margaret would certainly explain why I couldn't find them. Now I guess I'll just have to try to find the Bolton connection.

Thanks again.

Deaths Mar 1854 (>99%)
Dennett James Prescott 8b 365

Deaths Mar 1857 (>99%)
Dennett James Prescot 8b 340

Deaths Jun 1858 (>99%)
Dennett James Prescot 8b 369


Deaths Mar 1852 (>99%)
Dennett Margaret Prescot 8b 353


Deaths Mar 1857 (>99%)
Dennett Margaret Prescot 8b 362

Unfortunately, they are not yet on LancsBMD, or LancsOPC, so no way of getting the ages.

BUT.........the family were living in LIVERPOOL in 1851

In 1861, the child is recorded as grandson, so do you know Margaret's maiden name?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pinington Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Robert Churnock Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England Transcription
Margaret Churnock Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England Transcription
Mary Churnock Female 11 1830 Lancashire, England Transcription
Robert Churnock Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England Transcription
John Churnock Male 7 1834 Lancashire, England Transcription
Henry Churnock Male 5 1836 Lancashire, England Transcription
Martha Churnock Female 0 1841 Lancashire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Churnock Female 9 1832 Lancashire, England Transcription
James Dennet Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England Transcription**************CLOCK MAKER
Elizabeth Dennet Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England Transcription
Ann Dennet Female 3 1838 Lancashire, England

Purely out of interest, and in view of the occupation, are these James's parents?

Marriage: 9 Jul 1797 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
James Dennett - Clock maker, Bachelor, Of this Parish
Isabella Williams - Spinster, Of this Parish
Witness: John Alcock; Peter Birchall
Married by Banns by: Mathew Robinson Minister
Register: Marriages 1793 - 1812, Page 33, Entry 99
Source: LDS Film 1657567

Thanks Jacqueline.
I'm afraid I have no idea who James' parents were, all I know is that he was married to Margaret ??. I've tried to find her maiden name but so far had no luck. I've also been trying to find the connection with his grandparents (the Boltons) but so far nothing.

The James and Elizabeth you found in the 1841 census, living with the Churnock family, seem to have disappeared. I've just had a look in the 1851 but couldn't find them. They're probably related to my James but not sure how.

I can't help feeling that James in 1841 is the same person as in 1851.......look at the occupation

Which would fit also with the 1797 marriage, in view, again, of the occupation.

Sons tended to follow fathers - especially in skilled occupations

I realise this is speculation, but, you never know, you may find info to corroborate it eventually.............or to rule it out completely.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DENNETT James WORTH Elizabeth Prescot Register Office or Registrar Attended Prescot R/1/28

If 1841 IS James, and Elizabeth was still alive, he may not actually have married Margaret

Births Sep 1848 (>99%)
DENNETT Thomas W Derby 20 950

Posting for birthplace info

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Russell Street, Eccleston, Prescot, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Bolton Head Married Male 79 1782 Fish Dealer Broxton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Ellen Bolton Wife Married Female 79 1782 At Glass Works Prescot, Lancashire, England Transcription
Thomas Dennet Grandson Unmarried Male 12 1849 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Baptism: 8 Sep 1835 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Dennett - [Child] of James Dennett & Elizabeth
Abode: Bolton St
Occupation: Clock Maker
Baptised by: Thos. Halton Curate
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1836, Page 20, Entry 158
Source: LDS Film 1656421 (and 1656422)

ellen bolton in 1861 census

Ellen Bolton
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name: Ellen Bolton
County: Lancashire
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Sub-District: 6 St Helens
Parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas
Registration District: Prescot
Age: 79
Gender: Female
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birthplace: Prescot, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household

This is getting really confusing. The baptism given by safc looks good, except that everything I have shows Thomas' birth as 1849/50. His marriage certificate for 1868 gives his age as 19, and in the 1871 & 1881 census his birth is shown as 1849 and 1850 in the 1891 census. I can't find a Thomas born in 1835 to James and Elizabeth in 1841 census.
I've sent off for a birth certificate that I think might be his (Sep 1848, W. Derby, 20/950) so hopefully it's the correct one and I can find his mother's maiden name.

The James in the 1841 census is married to Elizabeth, the one in 1851 census is married to Margaret. James and Margaret had Elizabeth in 1840 and Thomas in 1849. It gives James' birth date as 1802 and Margaret as 1809 ... to me that seems old to have their first child in those days. I suppose James could've been married before to the Elizabeth in the 1841 census but I can't find a marriage to Margaret.

Still thinking.

I'm going to throw this baptism in.....it might be nothing...but think it's worth adding for elimination if nothing else

Name: Thomas Dennett
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1848
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1848
Parish: St Patrick, Lancashire, England
Father's name: James Dennett
Mother's name: Margaret Fairclough

Ancestry Liverpool Catholic Baptisms

The child baptised in 1835 could have died................it was common practice to name a child after a deceased sibling

Saying to the enumerator that Margaret was his wife does not prove that they were married

Only a cert would prove they were married....................as with ANY couple.

Golden rule of FH.............never assume ;-)