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I'm looking for TWP, he's my paternal grandfather.

I have a record of him marrying Edith Louise Tidy in 1894 in Lewisham.

He appears in the 1901 census in Isleworth Middlesex if you enter his daughter Ellen b 1898 PoB Hoxton. I had no idea there was an Ellen in the family, does anyone please have access to the 1901 records to confirm this please? Who else is shown?

I would be particularly interested in a William Parr who should / might be a son of TWP (my Father was Arthur William). I was told by my Mother that he had a crippled leg and that's all I know.

Many thanks

Keith

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas William Parr
Name: Thomas William Parr
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Edith Louisa Tidy
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Sep 1894
Parish: Hatcham Park All Saints
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: James Parr
Spouse Father Name: William Tidy
Register Type: Parish Register

Andy

Groom's Name: Thomas William Parr
Groom's Birth Date: 1868
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 26
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Louise Tidy
Bride's Birth Date: 1872
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 22
Marriage Date: 24 Sep 1894
Marriage Place: All Saints, Deptford, Kent, England
Groom's Father's Name: James Parr
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: William Tidy
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17105-4
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 355640
Reference Number: 2:1DF8400

1901

PARR, Thos Wm Head Married M 25 1876 Horse Keeper
Cambridgeshire VIEW
PARR, Edith Wife Married F 28 1873
Woolwick VIEW
PARR, Arthur Son Single M 5 1896
Hoxton
London VIEW
PARR, Ellen Daughter Single F 3 1898
Hoxton
London VIEW
PARR, Dick Son Single M 2 1899
Hoxton
London VIEW
BATT, Betsey Sister Married F 30 1871
Sheerness VIEW
BATT, Florie Daughter Single F 5 1896
Chatham VIEW
BATT, Sophie Daughter Single F 3 1898
Chatham VIEW

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Piece:
1184 Folio:
152 Page:
3 Registration District:
Brentford

Civil Parish:
Isleworth Municipal Borough:
Address:
29, London Road, Isleworth County:
Middlesex

His birth?

Births Jun 1867 (>99%)
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Parr Thomas William Newmarket 3b 562


Andy

Could tis be him ?


Births Jun 1867 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parr Thomas William - Newmarket 3b 562

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Household: 1881

James PARR Head W Male 46 Isleham, Cambridge, England Coal Porter (Lab)
Fanny PARR Daur. U Female 19 Isleham, Cambridge, England Housekeeper
Thomas W. PARR Son Male 13 Isleham, Cambridge, England Post Boy (Coachman N.D.((Messenger)))
Mary PARR Daur. Female 11 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Sarah Jane PARR Daur. Female 9 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Jessie PARR Daur. Female 7 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
James PARR Son Male 6 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar


Dwelling Waterside Drove
Census Place Isleham, Cambridge, England

Births Sep 1873 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PARR Jessie - Newmarket 3b 549

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur William Parr
Name: Arthur William Parr
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1895
Father's Name: Thomas Parr>>>>>>>>>>>>Mail driver
Mother's Name: Edith Louise Parr
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 45 Huntington St

Name:Ellen Jane Parr
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1897
Baptism Date:23 May 1897
Father's Name:Thomas William Parr
Mother's Name:Edith Louise Parr
Parish or Poor Law Union:Hoxton St John
Borough:Hackney
Register Type:Parish Registers

Address: 45 Huntingdon Street
Father's occupation: Carman

Birth: 9 Apr 1897


Tracey x

Name:John Henry Thomas Parr
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1898
Baptism Date:4 Dec 1898
Father's Name:Thomas William Parr
Mother's Name:Edith Louise Parr
Parish or Poor Law Union:Hoxton St John
Borough:Hackney
Register Type:Parish Registers

Address: Lyttle Street?
Father's occupation: Mail Driver

Birth: 30 Oct 1898

Tracey x

1901 England Census about Arthur Parr
Name: Arthur Parr
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thos Wm Parr
Mother's Name: Edith Parr
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoxton, London, England
Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 1184
Folio: 152
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Wm Parr 25>>>>>>>>Horse keeper born Cambridge
Edith Parr 28
Arthur Parr 5
Ellen Parr 3
Dick Parr 2
Betsey Ball 30>>>>>>>>>>>Sister
Florie Ball 5
Sophie Ball 3

That was fast! Thank you very much.

Andrew & safc: yes, that's the marriage I have but there's more detail her, thanks.

In Choccy's post, I thought "Dck ws a nickname for Richard, any chance it might be also for William?

Am I interpreting this record correctly: three Batts, presumably the married name of Betsey Parr who was TW's sister, living in the house?

Andrew & Mike: Parr Thomas William Newmarket 3b 562 - could be, but how could I confirm this please?

Mike: that 1881 household is very interesting. Looks as if James' wife Jane was no longer living with him (perhaps died?) and eldest daughter was looking after the household.

Any idea what the N.D. Messenger is all about?

Are the records of the 1871 census available?

Thanks again

Keith

1871 for Thomas

1871 England Census
about James Parr
Name: James Parr
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Parr
Gender: Male
Where born: Isleham, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Isleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Ely
Town: Isleham
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newmarket
Sub-registration district: Soham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 1600
Folio: 91
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
James Parr 37
Jane Parr 33
Fanny Parr 9
John R Parr 8
Martha Parr 5
Thomas W Parr 3
Mary Parr 1


possible death for Jane

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Dec 1877 (>99%)
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PARR Jane 38 Newmarket 3b 332


Andy

Thanks LiverBird, that's my Father:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur William Parr
Name: Arthur William Parr
Record Type: Baptism
I didn't know he had been baptised, but I supose pretty well everyone was as a matter of course.

Thanks for the two births, Tracey, those are definites.

Interesting comprison between LiverBird's and Choccy's listings: is the sister's family name Ball or Batt? They both refer to the same time, so what are the different origins of the extracts please?

Keith

Keith,

The differences are simply transcriptors interpretation of what they are looking at.

Handwriting from that era can be very very hard to decipher.


T x

Brilliant, Andy, thanks.

Now I need to sort out the offspring as it looks as if some died young.

Jane's death in 1877 makes sense too.

Keith

Which offspring Keith?

T x

I'm sure you're right, Tracey, but I was curious because this implies the record(s) was transcribed twice and ended up in two different places. Or that's my interpretation anyway. I ddn't know there were multiple different copies of the transcribed census.

Keith

Offspring of James and Jane:

1871:
Fanny Parr 9
John R Parr 8
Martha Parr 5
Thomas W Parr 3
Mary Parr 1

1881:
Fanny PARR Daur. U Female 19 Isleham, Cambridge, England Housekeeper
Thomas W. PARR Son Male 13 Isleham, Cambridge, England Post Boy (Coachman N.D.((Messenger)))
Mary PARR Daur. Female 11 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Sarah Jane PARR Daur. Female 9 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Jessie PARR Daur. Female 7 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
James PARR Son Male 6 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar

John & Martha seem to have disappeared (or have different names) by 1881.

Sarh, Jessie, & James are new arrivals.

Keith