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Keith,

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That's where our subs come into play... part of them go towards the cost of this!

Sooooo, this means different sites can deliver different quality of results. I personally find FMP more accurate for transcriptions then Ancestry.

Tracey x

The 2 stray children are probably in service somewhere else in the country.


Tracey x

Can't find any marriages for Betsey Parr to Ball, Batt or Bull??

Martha 1881. Out as a servant, probaby to bring extra income into the household

1881 England Census
about Martha Parr
Name: Martha Parr
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Isleham, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Isleham
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address: East End
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Domestic Servant

Registration district: Newmarket
Sub-registration district: Soham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1680
Folio: 86
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
George Fleet 42
Martha Fleet 42
Fanny Parr 84
>>>>Martha Parr 15
Caroline Sparke 52


Andy

I shouldn't worry too much about the Coachman ND bit, it's some over writing that has been written onto Thomas's line on the original, but may relate to another peron.

T x

Thanks for the explanation, Tracey, I thought there would be one (checked??) transcription to which everyone had access, silly me!

And the "in service" explanation makes a lot of sense - now why didn't I think of that! Thanks for the record Andrew.

Apart from the Parrs being pretty common around Newmarket, what can we deduce from:

George Fleet 42
Martha Fleet 42
Fanny Parr 84
>>>>Martha Parr 15
Caroline Sparke 52

Note Fanny, mother perhaps of Martha Fleet, and note the recycling of Martha?

Or am I letting my imagination run away with me here?

Keith

1911 England Census about John Royal Parr
Name: John Royal Parr
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Isleham Cambridgeshire
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 69 Duckett Street, Stepney E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COAL PORTER
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration District Number: 21
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town South Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Piece: 01610
Household Members:
Name Age
John Royal Parr 48
Jane Parr 47
John Royal Parr 18
William Percy Parr 16
Frederick James Parr 12
Ada Maud Parr 9


Married 21 yrs
6 children
5 lliving

This clears up the 1881 a bit for you.

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 1680 Folio: 86 Page: 27
Reg. District: Newmarket Sub District: Soham
Address: East End, Isleham County: Cambridgeshire
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FLEET, George Head Married M 42 1839 Farmer Of 14 1/2 Acres Employing 3 Men Isleham Cambridgeshire
FLEET, Martha Wife Married F 42 1839 Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Fanny Mother Widow F 84 1797 Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Martha Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Servant Isleham Cambridgeshire
SPARKE, Caroline Visitor Widow F 52 1829 Isleha Cambridgeshire

Seems Fanny is George's mother? It might be she's actually Martha's (1839) mother ??

Martha jnr could well be Grandaughter/Cousin/Niece

T x

Yep, Fanny should have been listed as Mother in Law to the head of the household.

Marriages Jun 1863
FLEET George Newmarket 3b 885
PARR Martha Newmarket 3b 885

The above is the relevant marriage.

As Martha jnr is listed on the 1871 census as being the daughter of James Parr, i would suggest she's Martha Fllet's niece.

As George Fleet has land, it was probably an easy way of providing Martha with work and space?



T x

To carry on with Martha. she is still a servant in 1901. Appears she married

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Ellington Robert N. Witchford 3b 1258
Parr Martha N. Witchford 3b 1258


1911

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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ELLINGTON, Robert Head Married M 50 1861 Farm Working Foreman Isleham Cambs VIEW
ELLINGTON, Martha Wife Married
7 years F 45 1866 Isleham Cambs VIEW
ELLINGTON, Enard Son Son Of Former Marriage M 14 1897 Working On Fram Tick Fen Wartoys VIEW
ELLINGTON, Robert J Son M 5 1906 School Stone Nr Mard Cambs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9167 Reference:
RG14PN9167 RG78PN488 RD183 SD1 ED6 SN78

Registration District:
Newmarket Sub District:
Cheveley Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Kirtling

Address:
Vicarage Farm Kirtling Cambridgeshire County:
Cambridgeshire

Andy

Thanks LiverBird, John Royal is almost certainly one of the sons.

"Can't find any marriages for Betsey Parr to Ball, Batt or Bull??"

"BATT, Betsey Sister Married F 30 1871 "

Is it significant that the status here is "married", ie not widowed?

I suppose this means going back another generation to check parents of James Parr.

Wait a minute, I don't know the maiden name of Jane, wife of Thomas. If this was Batt / Bull / Ball then would that count (almost) as sister of the head of household?

Keith

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Fletcher John Newmarket 3b 1205
Fuller Honor Newmarket 3b 1205
******Parr James Newmarket 3b 1205
*****Sangster Jane Newmarket 3b 1205

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
HOUGHTON Ann Newmarket 3b 1084
LAMBERT Edward Newmarket 3b 1084
*****PARR James Newmarket 3b 1084
*****REED Sarah Newmarket 3b 1084

Perfect, Tracey, thanks. So now the challenge is to tease out:

Martha jnr could well be Grandaughter/Cousin/Niece

That's a todo for another night!

Keith

I've already answered it!

T x

Thanks LiverBird, great! But that knocks my theory on the head. Ho hum. So I'm still left with a mystery around the Batt / Ball family.

Keith

I'm working on that now :-)

T x

Yes, you're right Tracey, sorry I missed the second reference:

Martha jnr could well be Grandaughter/Cousin/Niece
&
As Martha jnr is listed on the 1871 census as being the daughter of James Parr, i would suggest she's Martha Fleet's niece.

So to confirm the suggestion, I would need to find Marth Fleet (Parr) parents, find her brothers & sisters, and find Martha jnr's parents amongst them. Have I got that logic right?

Keith

Yeah,

You have already been given the 1871 census details with Martha jnr with her father James.

So you will need to find the 1861 & 1851 to catch James with his sister Martha snr to prove the relationship.

You've already got a headstart in knowing James & Martha's mother is Fanny.


Tracey x

The 1851 ties in quite a few things....

1851 RG number: HO107 Piece: 1763 Folio: 134 Page: 20
Reg. District: Newmarket Sub District: Soham
Address: Watter Side Drove, Isleham County: Cambridgeshire
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PARR, Thomas Head Married M 57 1794 Bargeman Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Fanney Wife Married F 52 1799 Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Thomas Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Bargemans Son Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, James Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Bargemans Son Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Royal Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Bargemans Son Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Martha Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Isleham Cambridgeshire

It adds Royal into the equation, and establish's James and Martha as siblings :-)


T x

1841 England Census about James Parr
Name: James Parr
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Isleham
Hundred: Staploe
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Newmarket
Sub-registration district: Soham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 73
Book: 8
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Parr 48
Fanny Parr 47
William Parr 16
Mary Parr 12
Thomas Parr 9
James Parr 6
Royal Parr 4