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I am trying to find ascendants of John Perkins (and his wife), born around 1843 I think in Bewdley, Worcestershire. As far as I have been told every generation of this family seems to only had 2 children, one son and one daughter.

John Perkins born around 1843 in Bewdley, Worcs, butcher employer at home and Lily Broadbent 1858 in Leeds, Yorks. They got married before March 1879 in King’s Norton (Vol 6c, page 419). In 1881 they are living in Leamington Priors with John Broadbent Perkins, their son aged 11 months, Frederick Duffil aged 34, butcher and Sarah Smith aged 15, servant/Nurse’s girl They had 2 children:

G2) John Broadbent Perkins born around 1880 in Handsworth, Birmingham. In 1901 he is living with his parents in Leamington Priors and is a Brass founder worker. He got married to Beatrice Bessie Summerton born in Chipping Campden
G3)John Charles Broadbent Perkins 1908 and Kathleen Bessie Blackwell 1907
G3)Beatrice Merle Perkins 1918 and Derek George Foster 1907 (my grandparents)

G2) Dorothy Leslie Perkins born 1887 in Bromsgrove, Worcs and Sidney Knight Morey 1892
G3)Peter John Morey 1923 died during the Second World War

Actually small mistake as I don't need ascendants of John Perkin's wife; Lily Broadbent, as I have plenty of information. More interested in the Perkins family as I haven't been able to go further than John Perkins born 1843, my gg grandfather

John Perkins

England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: Bewdley, Worcestershire

record title: England and Wales Census, 1851
name: John Perkins
age: 8
gender: M
birthplace: Bewdley, Worcestershire
relationship to head of household: Grand Son
record type: Household


John Perkins

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1809 — Bewdley, Worcester, England
residence: Birmingham, Warwick, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: John Perkins
age: 72
gender: Male
birth year: 1809
birthplace: Bewdley, Worcester, England
relationship to head of household: Lodger
marital condition: Widowed
profession / occupation: Cab Proprietor
address: 69 Rea Street
census place: Birmingham, Warwick, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341713
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2985 / 25
page number: 43


John Perkins

England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Bewdley, Worcestershire
residence: England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1891
name: John Perkins
age: 47
gender: Male
birthplace: Bewdley, Worcestershire
relationship to head of household: Head
record type:

You could send for the marriage cert for John and Lily then you would get Johns fathers name which would make it easier to find on the 1851 census

Hi!
have found a John perkins aged 7 in the 1851 census.
Father:John aged 57
Mother Drusilla: aged 49
Brothet Thomas: aged 15

Father is registered as a beer seller.
Address: 'Plough Inn', 63 ( what looks like) Clevbury Road.
Interestingly there is a George Perkins living with a Sarah Davey or Dovey in No 64, next door. George is listed as her nephew.
They are all living in the Rock area.

Does this help?

1911 John Perkins born Bewdley 1843 butcher Dealer
Lily 1858 leeds
Dorothy age 24

51,High Street leamington.
10 Rooms 2 children born 2 alive.

Maryb

Flick - yes I'm looking for ancestors of John Perkins. I haven't a clue how to find his parents as I'm not in England and the only info that I managed to find was the same as Anne's, that he was with his grandparents in 1851 (but is this the correct John? I don't know).

The rest is irrelevant but:

John Perkins married to Lily Broadbent, we have never heard that he was married a first time with a child so this could be quite amazing because I have just spoken to my father who has just confirmed that he did go to the US on the gold rush. For us he was born in Bewdley, Worcestershire (which Mary confirms on her info), was a butcher, but my great grandfather left home at 15 and was estranged from his father so we don't know anything else because he was never spoken about.
This is fascinating.

It might help to see the details from that 1851 census:

'This' John was an orphan, living with his grandmother.

I cannot at the moment trace the grandmother back with certainty and I cannot
see a Perkins/Bourne marriage to fit. - Can't look now but will look further later.

BOURNE, Mary Head Widow F 86 1765 Beesom Maker Pauper Bewdley Worcestershire VIEW
BOURNE, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 35 1816 Idiot Pauper Bewdley Worcestershire VIEW
PERKINS, John Grand Son Orphan M 8 1843 Scholar Bewdley Worcestershire VIEW

RG number: HO107 Piece: 2039 Folio:246 Page:5

Registration District:
Kidderminster Sub District:
Bewdley Enumeration District:
4FA Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Ribbesford Municipal Borough:
Bewdley Address:
Long Hill, Ribbesford, Bewdley County:
Worcestershire

Dea x

Thank you all very much for your help. It's beginning to make sense.

John's mother would have been a Miss Bourne married to a Mr Perkins (could possibly be a John as every generation that we know of had a son with the forename of John) and he would therefore have been an orphan very young.

Next step in effect - finding their marriage

John Perkins of 51,High Street Leamington Spa died 25/4/1934 left £1836 17s to his widow Lily perkins.

Maryb

Thanks Mary!

Barbara, sorry I didn't read your message properly before. Where is the Rock area please?

If you have the ref to his marriage to Lily buy his marriage cert which you can do online. that will tell you who his father was if he knew.

I've deleted my postings...........as the info was being discounted

Flick; I know, confusing because I had found that information a while ago and don't understand because he was born in Bewdley for us as I said before but I think it's interesting that in your information you've definately got the right family in 1881 - John, Lily and John their son. Which would probably make the information about his first wife in 1871 correct too. Not sure what to think!

1901 England Census
about John Perkins Name: John Perkins
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lily Perkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Bewdley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leamington Priors
Ecclesiastical parish: Leamington Priors All Saints
Town: Leamington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Leamington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 183
Household Members: Name Age
John Perkins 58
Lily Perkins 43
John Perkins 20
Dorothy L Perkins 13
Lilian E Hane 9
Emily Reader 37

You really do need that marriage cert first so that you can be sure you are following the correct John.

The will which Maryb has found would also be very useful.

Dea x

Why can't i find the 1851 census for Mary Bourne with grandson John Perkins???

Maryb

????

Groom's Name: John Perkins
Groom's Race:
Groom's Age: 24 years
Groom's Birth Date: 1843
Groom's Birthplace: England
Bride's Name: Lydia Cleveland
Bride's Race:
Bride's Age: 24 years
Bride's Birth Date: 1843
Bride's Birthplace:
Marriage Type:
Marriage Date: 24 Nov 1867
Marriage Place: Constantine, St Joseph, Michigan
Groom's Father:
Groom's Mother:
Bride's Father:
Bride's Mother:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband:
Film Number: 2342448
Frame Number:
Digital Folder Number: 4207954
Image Number: 201
Reference Number: v 1 p 195 rn 165
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925

If you say he went to the US in the gold rush and his first wife was from the US and his first child Gorgia was born in the US then he must have married there the first time.

Most interesting! Thanks a lot everyone.

I know have to look up John's parents who must have been a Miss Bourne and a Mr Perkins.