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thank you all so much , you are quite right , my grandmother louisa smith,born march 10 1900 died 0ct 1989 , married thomas samuel reed 1918, how do i prove that sarah perry was her mother, ive spoken to surviving children and only remember frederick smith father as a docker/lighterman! spoke to tower hamlets library , no smiths resident at 57 bancroft road in 1918, my gran married twice ,on both certificates frederick named as docker / lighterman/ albert smith was witness on 1918 wedding to thomas, if i could prove sarah perry was louisa mother then all the siblings including emma and james smith would tie up, this sticking point with her mother , been trying to resolve this for months, once again thank you all so much for all the time and effort youve been great x maybe lighterman records would help, as two other family members noted as lighterman, ie richard reed and his father james reed, thomas,s father and grandfather

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Smith Louisa Holborn 1b 724
Smith Louisa Mary Uxbridge 3a 52
Smith Louisa Victoria St. Geo H. Sq. 1a 462

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Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
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Smith Louie Stepney 1c 409 ***
Smith Louisa Emily Pancras 1b 92
Smith Louisa Emma Paddington 1a 14

These are births March, June Quarter 1900...
hopefully the Cert. will give you mothers maiden name...

Chris :)

the Marriage...
Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
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Smith Louis Stork Edmonton 3a 1012
Smith Louis Reed Mile End 1c 519
Smith Louisa Bosley Fulham 1a 878
Smith Louisa Donoghue Holborn 1b 1260
Smith Louisa V Owen St Geo Han Sq 1a 1216


this Medal Card comes up on Ancestry, not sure if it's him!, says Discharged 31/12/18.

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about Thomas S Reed
Name: Thomas S Reed
Regiment or Corps: Royal Engineers, Royal Engineers
Regimental Number: 1895, 457454


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and these seem to be Marriage Banns to go with Marriage details posted on page 1 of this 'Thread'.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frederick Smith
Name: Frederick Smith
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: Sarah Perry
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 30 Sep 1883
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(also gives addresses, 76 Carr St. for Frederick, 165 Eastfield St. for Sarah)

Christopher, The Lighterman records are held at the Guildhall library London if you can get there

https://www.history.ac.uk/gh/water.htm

also well worth looking here

http://www.parishregister.com/

Nudging so those looking at the new thread will not duplicate :)

Following from your other thread
There is a William on 1901 Albert on 1911 The other two cannot say but they could have just changed thier names as and when. I had trouble finding one of my great Uncles who was named James after his father I found him as Frederick in the end on the 1911.
Also could Emma be Emily? sounds simular
Does your aunt know any of the spouses names as a couple marriages have been found for this family

jax

Just one point about that address on the marriage certificate



It was seemingly very common for the bride and groom give the SAME address, but it does not mean that they both lived at that address.


It was cheaper if both lived in the parish in which they were married thatn if one lived in another parish ............. Banns would then have to be called in two parishes.



So do not please automatically assume that Louie / Louise / Louisa lived at 57 Bancroft Road


it could be where Thomas was living




sylvia