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Just one point about that address on the marriage certificate



It was seemingly very common for the bride and groom give the SAME address, but it does not mean that they both lived at that address.


It was cheaper if both lived in the parish in which they were married thatn if one lived in another parish ............. Banns would then have to be called in two parishes.



So do not please automatically assume that Louie / Louise / Louisa lived at 57 Bancroft Road


it could be where Thomas was living




sylvia

Following from your other thread
There is a William on 1901 Albert on 1911 The other two cannot say but they could have just changed thier names as and when. I had trouble finding one of my great Uncles who was named James after his father I found him as Frederick in the end on the 1911.
Also could Emma be Emily? sounds simular
Does your aunt know any of the spouses names as a couple marriages have been found for this family

jax

Nudging so those looking at the new thread will not duplicate :)

Christopher, The Lighterman records are held at the Guildhall library London if you can get there

https://www.history.ac.uk/gh/water.htm

also well worth looking here

http://www.parishregister.com/

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Smith Louisa Holborn 1b 724
Smith Louisa Mary Uxbridge 3a 52
Smith Louisa Victoria St. Geo H. Sq. 1a 462

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Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
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Smith Louie Stepney 1c 409 ***
Smith Louisa Emily Pancras 1b 92
Smith Louisa Emma Paddington 1a 14

These are births March, June Quarter 1900...
hopefully the Cert. will give you mothers maiden name...

Chris :)

the Marriage...
Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
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Smith Louis Stork Edmonton 3a 1012
Smith Louis Reed Mile End 1c 519
Smith Louisa Bosley Fulham 1a 878
Smith Louisa Donoghue Holborn 1b 1260
Smith Louisa V Owen St Geo Han Sq 1a 1216


this Medal Card comes up on Ancestry, not sure if it's him!, says Discharged 31/12/18.

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about Thomas S Reed
Name: Thomas S Reed
Regiment or Corps: Royal Engineers, Royal Engineers
Regimental Number: 1895, 457454


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and these seem to be Marriage Banns to go with Marriage details posted on page 1 of this 'Thread'.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frederick Smith
Name: Frederick Smith
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: Sarah Perry
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 30 Sep 1883
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(also gives addresses, 76 Carr St. for Frederick, 165 Eastfield St. for Sarah)

thank you all so much , you are quite right , my grandmother louisa smith,born march 10 1900 died 0ct 1989 , married thomas samuel reed 1918, how do i prove that sarah perry was her mother, ive spoken to surviving children and only remember frederick smith father as a docker/lighterman! spoke to tower hamlets library , no smiths resident at 57 bancroft road in 1918, my gran married twice ,on both certificates frederick named as docker / lighterman/ albert smith was witness on 1918 wedding to thomas, if i could prove sarah perry was louisa mother then all the siblings including emma and james smith would tie up, this sticking point with her mother , been trying to resolve this for months, once again thank you all so much for all the time and effort youve been great x maybe lighterman records would help, as two other family members noted as lighterman, ie richard reed and his father james reed, thomas,s father and grandfather

Name: Louisa Whittwell
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1990
Age at death (estimated): 89
Registration district: Fenland
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 9
Page: 1569


Still think my Louie Smith is a good match as the father did'nt complete the census so the odds are the spelling was correct. If she decided to call herself Louisa that was her choice as I have found with my own familys marriages

jax

I've been trying to find Frederick in 1881 to see if he may have been a lighterman's apprentice but not completed apprenticeship..but not having much luck!

I gotta go for a while. Back soon.

I think the immediate tree is a match but they have not necesarily attached the right census records.

Christopher said Thomas Samuel was a soldier at the time of the wedding. I wonder if hat could yield some clues?

Wish they would keep to the same spelling One minute it's Read then the marriage is Reed so is it the same people??
Have you seen that photo it says her name is Louisa Smyth?
jax

same tree LadyK if you click onto Fredericks name down on the right there is a link to 1901 it says " 2 citations provide evidence for Name, Birth"

Yeah thats the tree LK where they have the mother as louisa but they hav'nt gone back any further than 1901
Obviously not the right one as RR says Butcher to a Lighterman not very likely

Probably at the docks then Chris

jax

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Smith
Name: Emma Smith
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Spouse Name: Albert Mclean Tarlton
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 02 Nov 1918
Parish: St Luke, Limehouse
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Smith
Spouse Father Name: Richard Tarlton

sister Emma, address same as brother James, 21 St. Thomas Rd. Father Frederick now a Grain Porter.

Chris :)

Are we looking at different trees?

Name View event Louisa Smith

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
No media has been added. Gender View event
Female

No media has been added. Birth View event
10 March 1900
Middlesex, London

No media has been added. Marriage View event
1918 (Age: 18)
Mile end Old Town, Middlesex, England
to Thomas Samuel Reed

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
No media has been added. Marriage View event
Jan-Feb-Mar 1957 (Age: 56)
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire,
Second marriage to Aubrey

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
No media has been added. Death View event
16 October 1989 (Age: 89)
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England


No census link there.

I am urging caution as I found an Edward Smith in 1901 that fitted all the info I knew and when 1911 came out found he was the wrong one. Same age area etc

That sure looks like the same family Chris

It looks like a case of the names fit we will use this census on that tree nothing to back it up RR

jax

Name: Aubrey E Whitwell
Spouse Surname: Read
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1957
Registration district: Wisbech
Registration county (inferred): Cambridgeshire
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1003
Find Spouse: Find Spouse
Lousa Read

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Smith
Name: James Smith
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Spouse Name: Adelaide Wakeling
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1915
Parish: St Luke, Limehouse
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Smith
Spouse Father Name: John Wakeling

not sure if this a brother, Louie Smith is a witness. Father Frederick is a Coal Porter.

Chris :)

There is a 1901 census link on that tree from Louisa LK, as you say Jax.

Ahhh its the one on that tree that says he was a butchers assistant
I see that date of birth ties in with my Louie Smith

jax