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There is a public tree on Ancestry for Thomas Samuel Read married to Louisa Smith and a lovely picture

1900
DecBirth
Mile End Old Town, Middlesex 2 source citations Hide source citations 1901 England Census England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 1901

Age: 1 Residence
Mile End Old Town, London, England 1 source citation Hide source citations 1901 England Census 1918
OctAge: 17 Marriage
Mile End Old Town, Middlesex 1 source citation Hide source citations England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 1918

Age: 18 Marriage to Louisa Smith
Mile end Old Town, Middlesex, England 1 source citation Hide source citations England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 1950

Age: 50 Death
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England

Lady K looking at that 1901 census has Frederick as butchers assistant aged 28, not 'very' likely he would become a lighterman... in as much as it does tend to be witing families and served apprenticeship from young age....

If this is your grandmother she married twice born in march and had 10 children. She died 1989.

Sorry RR but which 1901 census?
I have not posted any about Louisa.

The tree notes were from Thomas Samuel Read.

The tree owner has her mother as Louisa unknown.

I cannot see a death in the name of Aubrey can you LK
There are two census 1901 and 1911 both dock workers RR
jax

The tree owner has

1989
16 OctAge: 89 Death
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England

It looks like a close family member but I would say Christopher shold contact them.

Ahhh its the one on that tree that says he was a butchers assistant
I see that date of birth ties in with my Louie Smith

jax

There is a 1901 census link on that tree from Louisa LK, as you say Jax.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Smith
Name: James Smith
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Spouse Name: Adelaide Wakeling
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1915
Parish: St Luke, Limehouse
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Smith
Spouse Father Name: John Wakeling

not sure if this a brother, Louie Smith is a witness. Father Frederick is a Coal Porter.

Chris :)

Name: Aubrey E Whitwell
Spouse Surname: Read
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1957
Registration district: Wisbech
Registration county (inferred): Cambridgeshire
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1003
Find Spouse: Find Spouse
Lousa Read

That sure looks like the same family Chris

It looks like a case of the names fit we will use this census on that tree nothing to back it up RR

jax

Are we looking at different trees?

Name View event Louisa Smith

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
No media has been added. Gender View event
Female

No media has been added. Birth View event
10 March 1900
Middlesex, London

No media has been added. Marriage View event
1918 (Age: 18)
Mile end Old Town, Middlesex, England
to Thomas Samuel Reed

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
No media has been added. Marriage View event
Jan-Feb-Mar 1957 (Age: 56)
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire,
Second marriage to Aubrey

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
No media has been added. Death View event
16 October 1989 (Age: 89)
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England


No census link there.

I am urging caution as I found an Edward Smith in 1901 that fitted all the info I knew and when 1911 came out found he was the wrong one. Same age area etc

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Smith
Name: Emma Smith
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Spouse Name: Albert Mclean Tarlton
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 02 Nov 1918
Parish: St Luke, Limehouse
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Smith
Spouse Father Name: Richard Tarlton

sister Emma, address same as brother James, 21 St. Thomas Rd. Father Frederick now a Grain Porter.

Chris :)

Yeah thats the tree LK where they have the mother as louisa but they hav'nt gone back any further than 1901
Obviously not the right one as RR says Butcher to a Lighterman not very likely

Probably at the docks then Chris

jax

same tree LadyK if you click onto Fredericks name down on the right there is a link to 1901 it says " 2 citations provide evidence for Name, Birth"

Wish they would keep to the same spelling One minute it's Read then the marriage is Reed so is it the same people??
Have you seen that photo it says her name is Louisa Smyth?
jax

I think the immediate tree is a match but they have not necesarily attached the right census records.

Christopher said Thomas Samuel was a soldier at the time of the wedding. I wonder if hat could yield some clues?

I gotta go for a while. Back soon.

I've been trying to find Frederick in 1881 to see if he may have been a lighterman's apprentice but not completed apprenticeship..but not having much luck!

Name: Louisa Whittwell
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1990
Age at death (estimated): 89
Registration district: Fenland
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 9
Page: 1569


Still think my Louie Smith is a good match as the father did'nt complete the census so the odds are the spelling was correct. If she decided to call herself Louisa that was her choice as I have found with my own familys marriages

jax