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hi Lorraine
i have two family mysteries i would love some help with

firstly my great gran edith anne shaw who it seems travelled back and forth to both america and canada, although of humble means ?
she was born c. 1877 in huddersfield yorks.
she was not married but had a son eric my grandpa born huddersfield c. 1909
as yet i cannot find any records of them
it seems eric was raised by a series of grandparents/ aunts etc. and used the middle name hodgson, i wonder if this had any significance?
there is a story that my gretat grandma may have been travelling with her lover on one of her voyages, is it possible to trace travelling companions onboard ship?
the only other info on edith is that she had a withered leg due to infant polio, and she lived out her days in huddersfield until she was well over a hundred yrs. old

secondly, my grandma had a brother albert green b.circa. 1893 in barnsley yorks. he was the eldest of 13 children of a family of coal miners
his parents were james and louisa green , louisa being born 1873,so i assume albert was born about 1894?
my grandma always wondered what became of him after he set sail for canada and was never heard of again!
she tried the red cross etc but to no avail, but that was before genes reunited and you!
i would be very grateful for any help/guidance with these stories of my ancestors and i thank you for helping us to go on further, and making family research even more exciting!

mark

mark

found this death which is a possible for your grandfather

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Eric Hodson Shaw
Name: Eric Hodson Shaw
Birth Date: 13 Aug 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1995
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Stafford
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Register number: B28E
District and Subdistrict: 7351B
Entry number: 77

and marriage

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Eric H Shaw
Name: Eric H Shaw
Spouse Surname: Green
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 997

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about May Green
Name: May Green
Spouse Surname: Shaw
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 997

the only edith i could find that may match on a passenger list was this one


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Edith A Shaw
Name: Edith A Shaw
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Date of Arrival: 3 Nov 1905
Vessel: Virginian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Virginian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-486

born yorkshire
going to brandon
on her way to canada to be married it doesnt give an address or who too though



re the green family

i presume this is them on the 1901 census albert is aged 4

1901 England Census
about James Green
Name: James Green
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Barnsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Barnsley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
James Green 28
Louisa Green 28
Beatrice Green 9
Margery Green 6
Albert Green 4
John Green 1


this looks like your albert

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Albert Green
Name: Albert Green
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 5 May 1929
Vessel: Andania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Andania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14752


single
the government paid for his passage
born barnsley
next of kin father james green
25 cherry road cundy cross barnsley
destination winnipeg
occupation farming labourer

census in canada only go up to 1911 so no luck there

mark

found this death which is a possible for your grandfather

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Eric Hodson Shaw
Name: Eric Hodson Shaw
Birth Date: 13 Aug 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1995
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Stafford
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Register number: B28E
District and Subdistrict: 7351B
Entry number: 77

and marriage

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Eric H Shaw
Name: Eric H Shaw
Spouse Surname: Green
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 997

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about May Green
Name: May Green
Spouse Surname: Shaw
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 997

the only edith i could find that may match on a passenger list was this one


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Edith A Shaw
Name: Edith A Shaw
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Date of Arrival: 3 Nov 1905
Vessel: Virginian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Virginian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-486

born yorkshire
going to brandon
on her way to canada to be married it doesnt give an address or who too though



re the green family

i presume this is them on the 1901 census albert is aged 4

1901 England Census
about James Green
Name: James Green
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Barnsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Barnsley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
James Green 28
Louisa Green 28
Beatrice Green 9
Margery Green 6
Albert Green 4
John Green 1


this looks like your albert

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Albert Green
Name: Albert Green
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 5 May 1929
Vessel: Andania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Andania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14752


single
the government paid for his passage
born barnsley
next of kin father james green
25 cherry road cundy cross barnsley
destination winnipeg
occupation farming labourer

census in canada only go up to 1911 so no luck there


cant find anything for him for a marriage or death either

Thanks for that info Lorraine. Much appreciated
Beverley

Lorraine,
Thanks for your look-up before about the Lloyd´s, since then trying to find the Sidney b1897 has been confusing,but have received this info;
"Found out from Harold Brooker, my mother's cousin ( Millie's son) that my grandfather or step=grandfather, I guess, Sidney John Lloyd, apparently came to Canada as a Salvation Army child to work on farms here in Canada. Apparently his father had already immigrated to Canada. According to Harold, he arrived in Winnipeg looking for his father. He was only 9 or 10 at the time."
So if he was 9/10 at the time there may be a chance that he would appear on the 1911 Canadian Census, could l ask if you could do me a look-up for Sidney and for Millie Brooker(Breaker)b1899 and husband William who travelled over to Canada after 1917 as this is when they married in Eastbourne,Sussex. Millie´s maiden name was Tucknott,Please
Regards
David Tucknott

Hi Lorraine
Whawow, ships logs are so exciting!
How can i access them myself? because;-
I was told by Eric Shaw that his father may have died onboard ship and i would love to trace anybody by the name of Harry Hodgson Shaw who may have been travelling on a ship back from Canada with Edith Anne Shaw and may have died on the way back,
Would a ship carry a body all the way home or to the nearest port?
By the way Harry Hodgson Shaw is the name listed on Eric Shaw`s marriage cert. as his father, occupation photographer
He has always been a great mystery for the family, why would he have the same surname as Edith Anne Shaw?, as we were always told she never married, and Eric Shaw never knew him

Thank you so much for all your efforts so far and for the inspiration you give us beginners
Mark

david

the kids who where sent to early in the late 1800s up to 1940's where called home children you can view the passenger lists her e http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/index-e.html?PHPSESSID=g9ratqsaqhuujip4qk3h1amm36




this is the only one for a sidney lloyd sent by the salvation army


Home Children (1869-1930)
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Name: Lloyd
Given Name: SidneyAge:
17Sex: M
Ship: Megantic
Year of Arrival: 1923
Departure Port: Liverpool
Departure Date: 01 June 1923
Arrival Port: QuebecArrival
Date: 09 June
1923Party: Salvation Army
Destination: Various provinces across CanadaComments: 100 boys the 4th party in 1923 sent by a Salvation Army special scheme.

Source: Library and Archives CanadaReference: RG 76, vol. 495, file 768363, part 5, Documents from Immigration Branch, Central Registry FilesMicrofilm: C-10428Type of Record: Other Government of Canada recordsGroup of Children



this looks like william and millie although it look like nellie or mollie on list writing is hard to make out

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about William Brooker
Name: William Brooker
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Date of Arrival: 22 Jan 1920
Vessel: Carmania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carmania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14798



both aged 21
heading for london ontario

mark

i have found this marriage which is a possible for erics father


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Harry Hodgson Shaw
Name: Harry Hodgson Shaw
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 841

Fanny Gertrude Martin 1902


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Harry Hodgson Shaw
Name: Harry Hodgson Shaw
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 557

this is the harry shaw listed above in marriages

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:

SHAW, HARRY HODGSON HEAD MARRIED M 28 BUTCHER LEEDS YORKS
SHAW, FANNY GERTRUDE WIFE MARRIED 8 F 34 HULL YORKS
MARTIN, EMILY MOTHER IN LAW VISITOR MARRIED 36 F 59 HESSLE YORKSHIRE
HARRISON, WILLIAM MARSH BOARDER SINGLE M 22 CYCLE ENGINEER GRANTHAM LINCS



i cant find him on a passenger list

Lorraine,
Many thanks, this Sidney is still a bit of a mystery as it was assumed he was born in 1897.
Dave

n

Hi. Could you look up the census for America and Canada for a Walter Thomas born about 1854 in Norfolk. England. I cannot find him in any english census until 1911. Someone suggested he may have emigrated to America or Canada. He was my Grandad. All I have is his marriage cert in 1906. He was 52 and my grandmother was 27. He was a widower. His occupation was a Legal Writer on his marriage. He may have lived in USA or Canada from being a child. His father was Jonas Thomas and was a builder. Thank you for your help
Marlene

Hello Lorraine,
This is a probably a question too far as I have so little info on this chappie.but here goes...

CHARLES REDDING arrived USA CASTLE GARDEN in 1872. aged 23, Labourer. Born c 1847 HASELOR WARWICKSHIRE.

Sadly that is ALL I know once he arrived in the USA
Hope it is enough to possibly trace him.

Many thanks,
Margaret.

marlene

i cant find him either he is not on any passenger lists


the only thing i could find was a this

the surname is wrong but the occupation place of birth and age fits

1871 England Census
about Walter King
Name: Walter King
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jonas
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: St Saviour
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 100
Household Members: Name Age
Jonas King 44
Rebecca King 47
Walter King 17
Emma King 13
Elizabeth Steverson 39
Fanny Eliz Brown 6
Clare Pound 28
Eliza Agnes Pound 18


jonas isa builder and walter a clerk

the bottom 4 are lodgers

Hi Lorraine. Thank you for your help. It is really strange that you have found one with the surname King. Everything else fits like you said. I wonder if he changed his name at some point and for what reason. I thought he would have to be somewhere. there isn't even a birth registration for him. It is like he never existed. I will follow this info up that you have given me.
Thank you again
Regards
Marlene

margaret

Found him on the passenger list as you said


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Chas Redding
Name: Chas Redding
Arrival Date: 10 Sep 1872
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France and London, England
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Denmark
Search Ship Database: Search the Denmark in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_365
List Number: 983
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United

occupation labourer

what does castle garden refer to i cant see it written on the list


looked on us census but cant find him

he may have gone back to england but the incoming lists dont start until 1878 so may have been before that

Re: Charles Redding : Many thanks for this additional info. I was given " Castle Garden" as the point of entry for him into the USA. I am assuming that Charles did stay in the USA as he certainly does not appear on any later census's in England. Once again thanks for your help, it is much appreciated.

Margaret.

Lorraine,
Please can you help;
Do you have access to USA Census Records?
I am trying to confirm that in the 1900 or/and 1910 Census there was a Joseph William J Tucknott b1880 in London, with a wife Mary C nee Dorn b 1882.
Rumours say that he travelled over in 1888, his first child was Mabel b1905 in USA, second child Alice Violet b1909 North Dakota, and 3rd James Allen b1911 in Chicago,Illinois,USA.
Regards
Dave

david
this looks like the right one

1900 United States Federal Census
about Joseph Tucknott
Name: Joseph Tucknott
Home in 1900: Chicago Ward 12, Cook, Illinois
Age: 19
Birth Date: Jun 1881
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1888
Relationship to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: William
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Name: Jane
Mother's Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Single
Residence : Chicago City, Cook, Illinois
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Tucknott 50
Jane Tucknott 56
James Tucknott 22
Joseph Tucknott 19
Adeline Tucknott 15
Annie Tucknott 15
Ada Tucknott 13
Andrew Tucknott 9
Arnold Tucknott 6
Allen Tucknott 5
Arthur Tucknott 25
Hattie Tucknott 22
Charles Ingalls 20
AL Basler 21
Wm Sutkee 22


fathers occuption - feed store
josephs occupation - teamster

children down to ada born england
andrew, arnold and allan born illinois
son arthur born england
daughter in law hattie born illinois

bottom 3 are boarders


cant find him on 1910 but will keep looking


1920

1920 United States Federal Census
about Joseph Tucknott
Name: Joseph Tucknott
Home in 1920: Springfield, La Porte, Indiana
Age: 39 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Widow
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 1074
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Tucknott 39
Mabel Tucknott 15
Alice Tucknott 11
James Tucknott 8


mabel born illinois
alice born north dakota
james born indiana

childrens mothers birthplace given as illinois

josephs occupation is given as labourer


1930 United States Federal Census
about Joseph Tucknott
Name: Joseph Tucknott
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
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Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Tucknott 50
James Tucknott 18
Thomas Burns 69
Catherine Burns 66


josephs place of birth is given as illinois but im sure its the right one

his occupation is teamster
james occupation is given as labourer he gives his place of birth as wisconsin

they are not living with the burns they are at a different address


different middle name to what you gave so not sure if the right one

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Joseph Albert Tucknott
Name: Joseph Albert Tucknott
City: Chicago
County: Cook
State: Illinois
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1880
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1503987
DraftBoard: 77
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:
Signature:

occupation teamster
next of kin wife jane

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Joseph Tucknott
Name: Joseph Tucknott
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1880
Birth Place: Chicago, Illinois
Residence: Alameda, California
Race: White
Roll: WWII_2393866

this should confirm if the war records are the right ones as this death gives mothers maiden names

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Joseph A Tucknott
Name: Joseph A Tucknott
Social Security #: 555120532
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1880
Birthplace: Illinois
Death Date: 26 Mar 1952
Death Place: Alameda
Mother's Maiden Name: Graser
Father's Surname: Tucknott

possible for son james death

Social Security Death Index
about James A. Tucknott
Name: James A. Tucknott
SSN: 573-18-1736
Last Residence: 94546 Castro Valley, Alameda, California, United States of America
Born: 11 Aug 1911
Died: 3 Dec 1993
State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about James Allen Tucknott
Name: James Allen Tucknott
Social Security #: 573181736
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1911
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Death Date: 3 Dec 1993
Death Place: Alameda
Mother's Maiden Name: Montgomery

found this birth cert for mabel daughter of joseph it matches with mothers maiden name being montgomery so she is the sister of james listed above

Mabel jane tucknott
born april 6th 1904
at mary thompson hospital chicago illinois
mothers name violet emily montgomery / birthplace scotland
fathers name albert joseph tucknott/ born england/ occupation teamster

the image is on familysearch.org on the main page
hold mouse over search images and a drop down box will appear select record pilot search

Indiana Deaths, 1882-1920
about Violet E

squirrel

nothing definate on passenger lists what are his parents names please

lorraine

david cont

the death of violet mother of james and mabel tucknott

Indiana Deaths, 1882-1920
about Violet E. Tucknott
Name: Violet E. Tucknott
Date: 22 Feb 1920
Location: Coolspring Township
Age: 32 yr
Gender: Female
Race: White
Source Location: County Health Office, Laporte
Source Notes: The source of this record is the book H-29 on page 100 within the series produced by the Indiana Works Progress Administration

there is a tree on ancestry which seems to have gone down the same route as you with the story of joseph going to usa

the have a joseph tucknott born c 1880 london living with parents in london in 1881

parents names are thomas and nancy


but they are using the 1900 census which is shown above saying it is the same joseph even though the parents names on the 1900 census are william and jane, seems to be some confusion there.

Are your josephs parents called nancy and thomas or william and jane?