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I still keep looking as new records come online!

So do I!

Thank you.....that is great to know and really appreciated. :-)

I guess nobody liked my idea of Emerentiana Leslie

and / or the possibility that McLeod was the surname of the (possibly related) family that took Diane in but Leslie was her own family name ... or could have been her natural father's name ...

although I'm sure that possibility has been mulled over somewhere in this record breaking thread :-D

Emerentiana's dob was 23 May 1906 ... does anybody remember off hand when Diane celebrated her birthday?

Cynthia was going to pass on the Emerentiana theory to Evelyn to see what she thought.

I wonder what her opinion was?

It sounds like a plausible theory to me!

Hi.....sorry for the delay...just catching up.

I have had a message from Evelyn.

She says that her mother told so many fibs that anything is possible. Sometimes she said her birthday was in May and sometimes in June. She remains extremely grateful for all the help she has received.

I quite like the thought of this clue.........can we take it any further?

on the previous page I posted absolutely everything I could find about that John Francis Leslie and his wife Thereza de Silva - their marriage, their children's births and some of the children's marriages, and Thereza's death - but there was nothing on Emerentiana (which of course would be the case if she became someone else - or simply if Indian records are not available as late as would be needed!)

that is still as far as I have been able to get

incoming passenger lists are useless as children are so often just listed as 'Miss' or 'Master' or 'Child' if even that (Mrs so-and-so and 2 children ...)

when is the 1921 census to be available? :-)


edit - I did a search at familysearch for just the name Emerentiana with nothing else and found it very popular among nuns :-)

so I googled it ... she was a Roman martyr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerentiana

searching for the name there in India shows a handful of records, the name seems to have been most popular in the Portuguese community (Emerentiana Monica Leslie's mother was de Silva)

(looking back to page 115 last night, with info. from JC, images available on FMP British India Office Collection)


(for below reference, no Father for her, says 'Adopted Daughter of Mary D Silva. Rank/Profession for John as Government Servant)

Chris :)


marriage of the parents

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJP-ZDL

Name: John Francis Leslie
Birth Date: 1866
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Teresa Desilva
Spouse's Birth Date: 1869
Spouse's Age: 22
Event Date: 02 Jan 1891
Event Place: Moulmein, Burma, Bengal, India
Father's Name: Robert Leslie
Spouse's Mother's Name: Mary Magdalina Leslie
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75066-9

Looking back (via dear old google), I see that we were looking at the possibility of Emerentiana being Diana back in January of 2014.....

Okay, so what do we do now? Do we revisit school registers? Suggestions welcome please.

smarty Cynthia ... google doesn't find that for me! oh wait, I thought you meant before I posted that, goodness that really was over a year ago (June 2014 actually, when I first chimed in), how time has flown ...

I know, the problem is how to investigate it, and I just haven't found any way, other than the fact that there is no apparent record of of Emerentiana Monica Leslie anywhere for anything after her christening

I've hunted for the names of her siblings in records and family trees ... and found nothing

thank you for the marriage details Chris, father John Francis Leslie as 'government servant' helps to know ... perhaps he was not of a longer rooted family in India


one thing I've wondered is whether Evelyn has any idea of how old her mum was when she arrived in Scotland

she went to school there I gather but would she have been pre school age, or in her teens, or in between ... when she arrived

Unfortunately, Evelyn knows nothing really - her mother was such a fibber at times. I think she was fairly young though because of the conversations with various 'family' members which she related to Evelyn - that's when we spent months and months on the wrong McLeod family.


If I remember rightly, and it IS bedtime, so the grey cells are more puddled than ever, Stornoway was mentioned and I vaguely remember getting a lovely chap called 'Willie' something, to look through some records for DLM. Maybe I should get back in contact and ask him to check for an Emerentiana......??

oh no, I read some of those posts about a McLeod family with an Ishbel and Donald? and maybe a Murdo, and an Aunt Kate ... did the family that seemed to be the right one, a globetrotting bunch if I recall correctly, turn out to be wrong somehow??

do you want to refresh any memories about how that was determined? :-)


Chris ... I just remembered I've got my half price sub to FMP now so I'm trying to look at the marriage records for sisters
Winifred Teresa Leslie
and
Elizabeth Christiana Leslie

to see whether there is any more info about the father

... but FMP is refusing to load images for me :-|

and there are also no other records about their husbands Stanleigh Clarence Bride and Arthur George Nash, for neither of whom is there a birth record to match at freebmd (Arthur's name was common so hard to tell)


also FMP doesn't show the 1935 death of Theresa Leslie, presumably the mother of Emerentiana, in Bengal


edit, switched browsers to see the images ... was wondering whether witnesses would be useful, or whether father's occupation or living status would be noted ...

for Elizabeth (Beth), father John Francis Leslie, witnesses were S? Fowkes (I think) and B Wade, and Mrs Fowkes and Mrs Wade

for Winifred (a teacher), parents John and Teresa Leslie, witnesses were VH? Autram?, G Baxter and May Abren??

nothing very useful there


... I looked at the baptisms for the children ... other than 'clerk' or 'government servant', we have the one for Maria Eveline in 1897, 'clerk, settlement office', which I believe would refer to government payments

in 1899 for baptism of son John he was 'Superinetendent Settlement office'

on Emerentiana's he is 'Dist Cass? fund? Supervisor'

vaguely interesting ... Cecelia Gertrude's baptism seems to have been recorded twice, all the same details, born 4 Nov 1903 bapt 30 Nov 1903, but one record marked 'Supplementary' and a handwrotten notation that looks like 'Oct 7/04' ... on both, father John Leslie is 'Police Constable'

and then we have the conundrum of the Anthonys

First name(s) Anthony James Francis
Last name Leslie
Place Henzada Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Thereza
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Leslie
Baptism date 04 Jul 1909
Birth date 14 Jun 1909

First name(s) Anthony John
Last name Leslie
Place Henzada Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Thereza
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Leslie
Baptism date 4 Jul 1909
> Birth date 18 Jul 1909
... hardly, if baptised on the 4th, but the original does say that ... evident error for June 1909

again there are two records, both with the same two surnames on them (the Leslie baptism and a Britto baptism, with the same serial numbers) ... so one appears to be a copy of the other, with errors ... the Britto details are even farther out from each other on the two records

anyway on one, John Leslie is 'Dist Cass? fund? Supervisor' again and on the other he is 'Overseer D.W.D.'

and the 'Police Constable' in the middle of them all is especially odd


that seems to be all the details that can be collected about this particular couple and their children


... grr, I just found the mother's birth transcribed by FMP as 'Lesli" ... cause of death 'old age' (at 67!) with no family info at all

one little bit of info ... Emerentiana Leslie's sister Elizabeth Christiana Leslie married Stanleigh Clarence Bride in 1912, except he was born Clarence Stanley Bride in 1887 Madras (fathers' names match)

so I would be pretty sure this is their son (no image or parents' names available)

First name(s) Clarence Harold Eugene
Last name Bride
Baptism year 1916
Birth year 1916
Place Henzada,St Mary
Presidency Bengal

Isidore Gladys Cecilia Bride 1914, same place, shows parents Stanleigh and Elizabeth

also likely Norbert Stanleigh Bride 1922, Zoe Bernardine Teresa Bride 1924, Helen Marguerite Bride 1926, and Richard Vivian Anselm 1928, all Bengal, no images or parents' names

just thinking these are possible names for finding family of Emerentiana Leslie


and finally a link weak as it is

an Ancestry tree has an Enid Bride born in Madras in 1891
father Hubert Bride ... the father of Stanleigh Clarence Bride who married Emerentiana Leslie's sister Elizabeth Christiana Leslie
... so this Enid Bride is the sister of Stanleigh

and her husband's name was Harold Arthur Fewkes ... not Fowkes :-)

so that couple were the witnesses at the marriage of Elizabeth Christiana Leslie.

the tree owner is unfortunately a distant cousin ... but I could always ask whether he knows anything of Elizabeth Christiana Leslie's family, or anyone who does ...


Norbert Bride 1922, son of Elizabeth Christiana Leslie, died recently in Australia:

BRIDE Norbert Stanley
Death notice 08JUL2013 Death 90
Herald Sun (Melbourne) 10JUL2013

but his obituary is off line

I hesitate to post the living people's names but for now ... snippet available:

Norbert BRIDE Obituary (Archived)
Published in The West Australian on July 10, 2013
First 25 of 33 words: BRIDE (Norbert ): 23.07.1922 - 08.07.2013 Beloved husband of (late) Rosa, much loved father to Vincent, Tom, Winsome, and Geri.

but that's okay because Winsome is looking for family info:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA/2003-03/1047461129

Hello listers, I'm hoping someone out there might be able to help me- I am
looking for any info. on the Bride family from Bangalore 1836-1945.-
I have a few names and dates which might help-
... Stanley Clarence Bride born 24th Aug.1887 at Madras - he married **Elizabeth Leslie** at Thonze (Burma). they had 8 children (my dad being one of the 8 - Norbert Stanley Bride) who lived in Bangalore for a good many years before they left for the U K

the email address is old, 2003, but I could try ..... ! in case she has learned anything since then

I notice that the father of the John Leslie who married Teresa DeSilva is a Robert Leslie (McLeod??).

Could it be that this one was in the Seaforths???

useful ?
http://www.myheritage.com/names/clarence_bride

I saw those Quoy yes - behind a pay wall --


India, Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

Clarence Stanely Bride, born 1887
Clarence Stanely Bride was born on month day 1887, to Hubert Bride and Celia.
Clarence was baptized on month day 1887, at baptism place.
Clarence lived in 1887, at address.

Clarence Stanely Bride, born 1887
Clarence Stanely Bride was born on month day 1887, to Hubert Bride and Celia.
Clarence was baptized on month day 1887, at baptism place.

India, Marriages, 1792-1948

Stanleigh Clarence Bride, born 1892
Elizabeth Christiana Leslie was born in 1892, to John Francis Leslie.
Elizabeth married Stanleigh Clarence Bride on month day 1912, at age 20 at marriage place.


-- as far as I can tell, they are the same records as are available at familysearch and FMP.

(the father's name on the marriage to Elizabeth Christiana is 'Hurbert')


Vanessa I've looked and looked for any record of John Francis Leslie before his marriage to Theresa (stating father Robert) but to no avail

there are a couple in the Scotish censuses before 1891, John with father Robert, but no way of knowing ...


You know I am ready to say that Evelyn should take a 'family finder' DNA test to see whether any close or distant cousins have also tested and could be matched up ........

Not sure if this has already been posted. Apologies if so. (EDIT: yes, I'm sure they have been ):


Elizabeth Christiana Leslie
mentioned in the record of Stanleigh Clarence Bride and Elizabeth Christiana Leslie
Name Stanleigh Clarence Bride
Birth Date 1888
Age 24
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Christiana Leslie
Spouse's Birth Date 1892
Spouse's Age 20
Event Date 06 Feb 1912
Event Place Thonze, Bengal, India
Father's Name Hurbert Bride
Spouse's Father's Name John Francis Leslie
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single




Winifred Teresa Leslie
mentioned in the record of Arthur George Nash and Winifred Teresa Leslie
Name Arthur George Nash
Birth Date 1898
Age 26
Spouse's Name Winifred Teresa Leslie
Spouse's Birth Date 1899
Spouse's Age 25
Event Date 26 Dec 1924
Event Place Moul Mein, Bengal, India
Father's Name Charles Nash
Mother's Name Ma Yin Sah
Spouse's Father's Name John Leslie
Spouse's Mother's Name Teresa
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single

yup :-)

the complete list of the children of John Francis Leslie and Theresa de Silva

- their baptisms and the two marriages that could be found, plus parents' marriage and Theresa's death -

is in my first post on page 115 of the thread, with links to the familysearch sources

I summarized all the info for each one to make it easy to follow and keep the thread less cluttered :-)

Yesterday Cynthia mentioned "revisiting" school records, but without trawling through 116 pages, I don't know what has already been suggested, so I'll risk posting this.

.
Evelyn's mother would have attended the Nicolson Institute, assuming she was in Stornoway in her teens. This link says the school admission records are closed to public access;

http://ica-atom.tasglann.org.uk/index.php/nicolson-institute-school-stornoway-lewis;isad

Have been busy but just arrived back here and will need to digest all the notes - but thank you one and all.

It's so very easy to forget what has already been found and discussed over the 6 years this search has been going on but please, if anyone wants to follow a line, please go for it.

I will see if Evelyn has looked in today but I am going out soon.

So grateful.......thank you :-)