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Hi Christine,

I did some checking regarding the Birling Smiths and you are right, James Richard Smith (1822) married to a Jemima sired James Breeze Walter Smith in 1868. James Breeze was named after his father's ex-partner James Breeze (1929) see 1851 census. James Richard continued to live in Birling for most of his marred life. In the 1861 census, his wife was named as Jane (Harwich 1829) but in the 1871 census she named herself as Jemima (Harwich 1829) NOTE: James Breeze was born in Queensborough Isle of Sheppey about 1829)

Confused?...........you will be (or are you already?)

Peter

ps I wonder what happened in Penge 1877??

Hi Sablon,

Thanks for the message.

You are quite right, both James Breeze's birth and death info bears out that he is the right man.

I have his name on a birth certificate for Florence - daughter of James Breeze and Elizabeth Isabel Stead (1897)

I also have Elizabeth Isabella's and Albert James Purkiss's names on the brth certificate for Louisa May Purkiss (1908) see also 191 census.

I will check out however the Smiths of Bolton, but I fear it is too soon after the demise of James Breeze.

Peter

Christine,

I have done yet more digging and interestingly, on the 1861 census, there is recorded a Mary A Brace, but when I looked on the original, lo and behiold, it should read Mary A BREEZE!! I guess this is the wife of James Breeze (ex-partner) a sister of James Richard.

Peter

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
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PURKISS Louisa May Sheppey 2a 983

is this florence

Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
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Smith Florence Elizabeth J Medway 2a 606

Sorry
My grand daughter woke from her nap. Back for a little while though.
I have things buzzing round in my head not quite clear,
Any chance of a summary.

1841 Address: South Street, Queenborough
BATCHELDER, James M 54 1787 Kent
BATCHELDER, Mary F 60 1781 Kent
BATCHELDER, Henry M 25 1816 Kent
BATCHELDER, Frederick M 20 1821 Kent
BREEZE, John M 14 1827 Kent
BREEZE, James M 13 1828 Kent
DURNAT, Emma F 20 1821 Kent

Note there are Breeze families living in Greenwich


Not sure how this fits but I am sure it does.
1861 Address: High Street, Queenborough
BREEZE, Scott James Head Married M 64 1797 Independant Minister Of...
Ramsgate
Kent VIEW
BREEZE, Frances Wife Married F 61 1800
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 37 1824
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Scott Grandson Unmarried M 4 1857
Didcot
Berkshire
BATCHELDOR, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 Housemaid
Queenborough
Kent

1861 Address: South Street, Queenborough
FENARD, William Bills Head Married M 75 1786 Proprietor Of Houses
Eastchurch
Kent
FENARD, Mary Wife Married F 71 1790
Queenborough
Kent
FENARD, James Son Unmarried M 40 1821 Grazier
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Mary Daughter Married F 31 1830 No Occupation
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Fanny M Granddaughter Unmarried F 3 1858
London City
BREEZE, John Grandson Unmarried M 1 1860
London City
AUSTIN, Emma Servant Unmarried F 15 1846 Servant
Queenborough
Kent

1881 Address: Cathall Road 38 Lascalles Road, Low Leyton
STEAD, Charles Head Married M 33 1848 Bag Maker
N K
Surrey
STEAD, Lavinia Wife Married F 33 1848
N K
Surrey
STEAD, Lavinia H Daughter Single F 8 1873
Old Kent Road
Surrey
STEAD, Elizabeth I Daughter Single F 6 1875
Penge
Surrey
STEAD, Alice A Daughter Single F 3 1878
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Charles R W Son Single M 1 1880
Scotland

Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
Lawes Lavinia Camberwell 1d 1126
Stead Charles Henry Camberwell 1d 1126



Births Dec 1872 (>99%
Stead Lavinia Harriet Camberwell 1d 703


Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)

Bastick Samuel John Hampstead 1a 1311
Herbert Thomas Hampstead 1a 1311
Inglis Olive Rosalie Hampstead 1a 1311
Stead Lavinia Harriett Hampstead 1a 1311

1861 Address: 59, James Street, St Giles Camberwell, Lambeth
STEAD, Charles Head Married M 35 1826 Painter
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1823
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Charles Son M 13 1848
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Clara Daughter F 12 1849
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Louisa Daughter F 9 1852
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Edwin Son M 5 1856
Stepney
Middlesex
STEAD, Mildred Daughter F 2 1859
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Alfred Son M 0 (9M) 1861
Camberwell
Surrey

In answer to your question re Penge 1877

The Penge Murder Mystery





Have you heard of Forbes Road in Penge? Probably not, as it was renamed Mosslea Road after the scandalous events known locally as the Penge Murder Mystery of 1877.



No one wanted to be associated and known to be living in the same road as the murder - and so a decision was made to rename it.



The murder mystery concerned the suffering of a poor, helpless woman and her baby who were locked away and starved to death. Understandably the nation was horrified, and an inquest was held in an upstairs room at the Park Tavern in Station Road, Penge, at the end of Forbes Road.



Two brothers named Patrick and Louis Staunton were charged along with their mistresses, sisters, Elizabeth and Alice Rhodes with the murder of Harriet Staunton, whom Louis had married earlier, probably for her money.



Harriet and her baby died through neglect and starvation, rather than murder, but these two deaths caused a local and national outcry.

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
EARL Jemima Sheppey 2a 863
Smith James Sheppey 2a 863

could be this one?
1841 Address: Rose Street, Minster
EARL, Thomas M 40 1801 Kent
EARL, Jemima F 40 1801 Kent
EARL, Jemima F 15 1826 Kent
EARL, Charlotte F 15 1826 Kent
EARL, George M 11 1830 Kent
EARL, Matilda F 0 (6 months) 1841 Kent

1841 Address: Fort Pitt Street, Chatham
SMITH, Walter M 27 1814 Kent
SMITH, Hannah F 27 1814 Kent
SMITH, Harriott F 7 1834 Kent
SMITH, Ellen F 4 1837 Kent
BANKS, Richard M 25 1816 Kent

Ellen was James Richard's neice so this is presumably his brother.

Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
SMITH Sidney Walter James N Aylesford 2a 320

Sablon,

Louisa & Florence are step-sisters (same mother different fathers) and yes, your findings are correct.

You can find them together (the step-sisters} on 1911 census

Peter

Christine,

You have been really busy!!

Thanks for the potted history regarding Penge. Gruesome!!

The 1881 info regarding Charles Stead is correct. Charles is the father of Elizabeth and Charles R W.

I am not sure about the Jemima Earl link though.

As requested, I will try to summarise where we are at this time..........watch this space.......

Peter

If you could possibly post 1851 censuses please.
I have lots of family in all of the areas including Birling, Plumstead and Croyden so I am interested.
Christine

1881 Address: Horn St, Birling
SMITH, James Head Married M 68 1813 Gentleman
Birling
Kent
SMITH, Ann Wife Married F 62 1819 Gentleman Wife
Wouldham
Kent
SMITH, John Son Single M 27 1854 Gentleman Son
Birling
Kent
SMITH, Sarah Daughter Single F 14 1867 Gentleman Daur
Birling
Kent

Christine,

Sorry for the delay, but had some people arrive which slowed things down.......

Charles Henry STEAD (1847 Camberwell)
Lavinia LAWES ((1846 Lambeth)
Married 1871 Camberwell Q4

Children:

Lavinia Harriet (1872 Camberwell)
Charles R.W. (1880 Glasgow)
Alica A (Camberwell 1878)
Elizabeth Isabella Martha (Penge 1875)

Elizabeth Isabella Martha Stead
Married? James Breeze Walter Smith possibly between 1890 and 1896 **

Children:

William Albert (Luton, Chatham, Kent 1896)
Eva Isabel (Luton, Chatham, Kent 1900)
Florence Elizabeth Jane (Luton, Chatham, Kent 1897)

Elizabeth Isabella Martha Stead
Married? Albert James Purkiss possibly sometime between1903 and 1908

Children:

Louisa May (Queensborough Isle of Sheppey 1908)

James Richard Smith (Higham 1822)
Jemima (formerly Jane) (Harwich, Essex 1829)

Chilren:

James Breeze Walter (Rochester , Kent 1867)
Maude M. F. 1858
Duncan (1860)
Sidney (1861)

Under the same roof is Mary A Breeze (James Richard's sister) 1825

Mary is/was married to James Breeze (Queensborough Isle of Sheppey,1829) James Breeze Walter was named after James Breeze who was a former partner of James Richard.

I think tht is all we know......did I miss anything?

Most of this information is down to all who have helped. Thank you!

Peter

http://genforum.genealogy.com/breeze/messages/118.html

James Breeze - Chatham, Kent
Posted by: Susan Batcheldor (ID *****5046) Date: May 27, 2002 at 19:25:24
of 165


According to 1881 Census James was a Publican at 13 Watts Terrace. His wife's name was Ann age 37 born Strood. Does anyone know if they had children? Thanks

In 1881 his wife's name is Mary Ann

in 1871 they have living with them a niece and nephew
Maud M Smith 13 and Duncan C B Smith 11 both born Plumstead, James is a wine and spirit merchant

in 1861 James is single, an hotel keeper

in 1851 he is a tobacconist, partner with James Richard Smith

Christine,

This is all I have for the 1851 census for James Richard Smith

1851 England Census 1851 England Census
Name: James Richard Smith
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Higham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: New Windsor With Dedworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Egham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
James Richard Smith 28
James Breeze 22




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1695; Folio: 331; Page: 23; GSU roll: 193603.

Peter

http://www.stead-steedons.co.uk/links.htm

Guild of one name studies for Stead