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There are vast archives at Chatham Dockyard and Greenwich maritime museum and they can be contacted on line.
I cannot figure out how to get the info I want out of find my past military stuff. sorry.

' morning Christine,

Thanks for your research posted yesterday.

I think that with the 'finding' of James Breeze's perents, that is just about a far as I want to go down that line.

Basically I try to keep to a "main descendants line" as far as possible otherwise I mighjt end up with 10,000+ people in my tree which probably do not mean too much to me anyway. I like to see a reasonably straight tree.

I guess I am back to doing legwork regarding the two marriages. Who knows, Sandra or someone may have the key.

A thought, if Elizabeth was married to two military men (James worked in the Chatham Dockyard and Albert James was in the RN as a Chief Yeoman Signaller, and they 'married in the services' would their marriages only be registered in the RN registers?

I see that Findmypast makes a big thing of marriages overseas and in the military. If that is so, I wonder where I could find those registers? Just a thought!

Peter

1841 Address: George Street, Woolwich, Greenwich
BREEZE, Edmund M 45 1796 Kent VIEW
BREEZE, John Scot M 45 1796 Kent VIEW
BARROW, Sarah F 70 1771 Kent VIEW
REED, Mary F 20 1821 Kent VIEW
HOWELL, Mary F 20 1821

1861 Address: High Street, Queenborough
BREEZE, Scott James Head Married M 64 1797 Independant Minister Of...
Ramsgate
Kent
BREEZE, Frances Wife Married F 61 1800
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 37 1824
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Scott Grandson Unmarried M 4 1857
Didcot
Berkshire
BATCHELDOR, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 Housemaid
Queenborough
Kent

1861 Address: High Street, Queenborough
BREEZE, Scott James Head Married M 64 1797 Independant Minister Of...
Ramsgate
Kent
BREEZE, Frances Wife Married F 61 1800
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 37 1824
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Scott Grandson Unmarried M 4 1857
Didcot
Berkshire
BATCHELDOR, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 Housemaid
Queenborough
Kent

Yes Scott seems to be the father of James Breeze. I had found that but did not think you were ready to follow that line yet. found him in several places.

I did not mean I could not find him in the large tree, I meant I was suspicius of the research after a bad experience.

Christine,

Found this:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

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JAMES BREEZE Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 29 AUG 1828

Christening: 25 OCT 1828 Bethel-Independent, Queenborough, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SCOTT JAMES BREEZE Family
Mother: FRANCES


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C068521 1797 - 1836 0597065 (RG4 1011) Film 6906512 Film


Sheet: 00

What do you think?

Peter

Christine,

Regarding the very large tree.........have you tried to open just immediate family and then searching at that point? Sometimes it works.

Regarding Rowena, Yes I have written to her but can't find her reply, so have sent a new enquiry this evening.

I hope that she responds unlike a lady called Sandra to whom I wrote last October who told me she thought that her Elizabeth came from Ireland and that she married a man called Smith??!! Coincidence?

anyway, despite many enquiries (including our Elizabeth's mother Lavinia - which was a hot match with her) I have not heard from her at all.

She might be the answer - if only she wrote..

Just thinking about your three suggestions of last evening, I think that I should spend some time in the Medway towns looking up parish records. I have a number of descendants to seek out in the Hollingbourne Kent area too.

Peter

I have just found James Breeze on a tree already open to me.
My only problem is that there are 67872 names on that tree. I would have to query if this tree has been researched or copied by ged com.

Peter there is someone with An Elizabeth Stead on their tree. Have you contacted Rowena?


Elizabeth 1875 Kent, England No Rowena Find out more

I think you have several choices now


1. wait. you never know who has the next piece of the jigsaw. A Purkiss descendant may suddenly pop up with a document they found in their loft.

2. Go to the local records office We are only looking at transcribed copies and a transcriber does not have the advantage of knowing what it should say.

3. Hire a professional to do it for you. I know one in the Malling area if you wish.

yeah I remembered he died 1900 from last night
but I freebmd tonight for a marriage with any date
and this one came up & I'm sure it didn't last night
which is why I thought he was a son but I can't find a birth for this one

Hi BoroGirl,

Sadly James Breeze Walter Smith died in the first quarter of 1900 (Medway 2a: 512:)

Thanks for looking but don't get too frizzled (like me ga! ga!)

Peter

is this marriage in 1919 just coincidence or has my brain frazzled
thought it might be a son


Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Smith James B W Craven Keighley 9a 473

Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Craven Elsie Smith Keighley 9a 473 < <<<<<
FAULKNER Arthur V Nutter Keighley 9a 473
Nutter Emmeline Faulkner Keighley 9a 473
Smith James B W Craven Keighley 9a 473 <<<<<

and I can't find a birth ????

Christine

I heard from Susan Batcheldor (Genforum) who sadly doesn't know anything about James Breeze Walter Smith however she did confirm that James Breeze (the partner) marrried Mary Ann Smith. Together they ran an hotel in Chatham.

Not a great deal of help.

I am getting to a point when it seems impossible to discover these two missing "marriages"

What do you think? Where do I go from here?

Peter

http://www.stead-steedons.co.uk/links.htm

Guild of one name studies for Stead

Christine,

This is all I have for the 1851 census for James Richard Smith

1851 England Census 1851 England Census
Name: James Richard Smith
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Higham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: New Windsor With Dedworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Egham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
James Richard Smith 28
James Breeze 22




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1695; Folio: 331; Page: 23; GSU roll: 193603.

Peter

http://genforum.genealogy.com/breeze/messages/118.html

James Breeze - Chatham, Kent
Posted by: Susan Batcheldor (ID *****5046) Date: May 27, 2002 at 19:25:24
of 165


According to 1881 Census James was a Publican at 13 Watts Terrace. His wife's name was Ann age 37 born Strood. Does anyone know if they had children? Thanks

In 1881 his wife's name is Mary Ann

in 1871 they have living with them a niece and nephew
Maud M Smith 13 and Duncan C B Smith 11 both born Plumstead, James is a wine and spirit merchant

in 1861 James is single, an hotel keeper

in 1851 he is a tobacconist, partner with James Richard Smith

Christine,

Sorry for the delay, but had some people arrive which slowed things down.......

Charles Henry STEAD (1847 Camberwell)
Lavinia LAWES ((1846 Lambeth)
Married 1871 Camberwell Q4

Children:

Lavinia Harriet (1872 Camberwell)
Charles R.W. (1880 Glasgow)
Alica A (Camberwell 1878)
Elizabeth Isabella Martha (Penge 1875)

Elizabeth Isabella Martha Stead
Married? James Breeze Walter Smith possibly between 1890 and 1896 **

Children:

William Albert (Luton, Chatham, Kent 1896)
Eva Isabel (Luton, Chatham, Kent 1900)
Florence Elizabeth Jane (Luton, Chatham, Kent 1897)

Elizabeth Isabella Martha Stead
Married? Albert James Purkiss possibly sometime between1903 and 1908

Children:

Louisa May (Queensborough Isle of Sheppey 1908)

James Richard Smith (Higham 1822)
Jemima (formerly Jane) (Harwich, Essex 1829)

Chilren:

James Breeze Walter (Rochester , Kent 1867)
Maude M. F. 1858
Duncan (1860)
Sidney (1861)

Under the same roof is Mary A Breeze (James Richard's sister) 1825

Mary is/was married to James Breeze (Queensborough Isle of Sheppey,1829) James Breeze Walter was named after James Breeze who was a former partner of James Richard.

I think tht is all we know......did I miss anything?

Most of this information is down to all who have helped. Thank you!

Peter

1881 Address: Horn St, Birling
SMITH, James Head Married M 68 1813 Gentleman
Birling
Kent
SMITH, Ann Wife Married F 62 1819 Gentleman Wife
Wouldham
Kent
SMITH, John Son Single M 27 1854 Gentleman Son
Birling
Kent
SMITH, Sarah Daughter Single F 14 1867 Gentleman Daur
Birling
Kent