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Name: Elizabeth Holland
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub registration district: Camden Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Holland 30

On the image she is with GEORGE,,,seaman,,and ELIZA ??mnth old

view others on page!!
Eliza Holland abt 1840 Middlesex, England St Pancras, Middlesex

Elizabeth Holland abt 1811 St Pancras, Middlesex

George Holland abt 1816 St Pancras, Middlesex

george not born in county

address,,52 brewer street

YOU ARE SOOOO CLEVER :-)

Thank you - so its George!!!

You & Evie have helped me so much over the last week or so, I can't tell you how grateful I am

xxx

not THAT clever
dont know where they are in 1851!!
but thank you for the thank you and your welcome

now if only i could do that for some of mine.
i would be doing cartwheels!!

I'd help with yours if I could but you seem to be better at this than me so not so I'd be that much help!! But I do wish you luck with them

Just to let you know that I have now ordered the birth certs for

Eliza Ellen Holland, St Pancras, Dec Q 1840
&
Albert Richer, Rotherhithe, Sept Q 1842

Then I will at least know their mother's maiden names - well, I will if they are the correct certs!!! :-)

Sue

Hi Sue
Been following your thread with interest. I'm not nearly as quick or clever at searching as Evie or Vivienne but I have just found the family in 1851!

1851 England Census
about Eliza Halland
Name: Eliza Halland
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jno
Mother's Name: Elizth
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Household Members: Name Age
Jno Halland 47>>>Master Mariner born Yarmouth
Elizth Halland 40
Eliza Halland 9
Elizth Halland 7
Reo H Halland 4

The image does look like Jno but could be a mistake by the enumerator?
Reo is Geo on the image.

Good luck with the rest of your searching!

Julie

Nice that there was an H after Reo.........................

Births Sep 1846 (>99%)
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Holland George Henry Liverpool 20 564


This would fit with him being 4 in the 1851 census

julie
i could kiss you
bet sue would too
I searched so many hours you wouldnt believe
what a fresh pair of eyes and a different brain can do!!
thank you

does put the cat among the pigeons again though on mr hollands name,but maybe he had two and used both?
we will see when elizas birth cert comes back
i hope!!

AND they are still at brewer street but at 14 instead of 82
how did i miss it
grrrr

I searched many hours too! I thought Geo* was a good bet to search on and even did Geo* hallan* at one point....... never thought of Reo as a possibility. To be honest I got so bogged down with the potential mistranscriptions from Ancestry that today I tried just using the index on 1901censusonline with different birth years for Eliza Holland put in 1842 and up she popped. Went back to Ancestry and put in the info I found on 1901censusonline EXCEPT the surname, scrolled through all the results until I got to H and there she was. Ancestry has been great for my family research but sometimes even with minimal criterea there are just too many results!

On the image for 1851 Jno's age looks like 42 rather than 47. In 1841 he was 25 to Elizabeth's 30. Perhaps he didn't want to appear younger than his wife in 1851 (as he was at home and able to influence what went on record!)

Sorry anyone who's already read this just EDITED the above re how I did the search.

well there is one thing i can say
at least sue says thank you
and that makes it much nicer to spend the extra hours as you KNOW its appreciated.
now about my annie noble died 1917 age 26 ,and her illegitimate sons!
only joking,think i found her on 1911 but cant confirm.

And of course she also has an interesting problem. ;)

I'm awake. Barely.

(Have you posted your new Noble info in that thread then? I want to see.)

Flipping heck, trust me to be asleep last night & miss all of the excitement!!

Wow Julie - I could kiss you as well!!! Its such good news, thank you so much. You girls (I'm assuming you are girls!!) are all so kind to spend so much time helping me & probably others as well, that a simple thank you doesn't seem enough!! I wish I could repay you & help you as well!!! Please let me know if I can look anything up for you.

Well, back to Hollands - we need to wait to see if Dad Holland is George or is it John/Jonathan? It will hopefully tell us on Eliza's birth cert. I did think it strange that on 1841, Elizabeth age 30 was named before George age 25 and, as the relationship is not noted on 1841, I wonder if George could've been John's younger brother who was staying there?

At least we now know that Dad Holland was born in Yarmouth as well as Mum now though, which is great.

There is a marriage in Yarmouth in Dec Q 1839 of James Holland & Elizabeth Swindall, do you think that squiggle on the census could be James? I just assumed it was John or Jonathan!!

Who would've thought that I started off looking for Albert Barnard in Deptford now its Richers in Suffolk & Hollands in Norfolk!!!!

I will, of course, let you know as soon as the certs arrive - probably Saturday and ................. thank you all again xx

Hey, you asked --

Go find my ... but no, I won't bore you with my perverse ancestors. ;)

Even though misery does like company!

Evie - just by talking to you over the last couple of weeks on here, I think I can tell that you must've worked hard & thoroughly on trying to find your Richard Barnard's Mother and I'm sure if you haven't been able to then I probably won't - but I'll have a try!!!

Who is misery? Not me, I hope?

Ah I shall probably challenge you all to find my Grandad Moughan in 1901 at some point! But not now......................
Sue at a push it may be Jm and a squiggly s on the image but looking at other entries by that enumerator I think it's more likely Jno.
Maybe because I want this next record to be your John Holland! Couldn't find a seaman George or James in the right age bracket.................

1861 England Census
about John Holland
Name: John Holland
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Seaman
Gender: Male
Where born: Yarmouth

Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: At Sea
County/Island: Misc Ships At Sea or Abroad
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Misc Ships
Sub registration district: Misc Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: Nicholas Wood (1)
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
David Todd 37
John Darnell 33
Robert Dyer 29
Edward Fletcher 52
Joseph Turner 28
John Burt 21
James Phillips 26
John Holland 52
Henry Roberts 31
Robert Ward 36
James Thomas 23
Charles Williams 25
Samuel Johnson 19
George Bifield 20
James Danahar 17


The 'Nicholas Wood' could be something to research whilst you wait for that certificate!

Misery -- just the misery of a tree populated by perverse Barnards, 'tis all!

As far as I can tell, mine actually are Barnards, though. ;)

Julie, I hope that John Holland is mine as well - it looks quite promising, he is the correct age!! How would I find out about the Nicholas Wood, do you have any ideas? I haven't got a clue!!

What's Grandad Moughan's details? (Christian name, age, place)
Lets see if we can help you!!

Evie - phew!! I thought that I was coming across as a misery, thank goodness its the Barnards that are.

Have you been in touch with Bristol Library to see if they have PRs for Bristol? They were really helpful to me a few years ago - sent me a census entry I couldn't find plus a map with the census address hi-lighted on it?

Sorry Sue I know nothing about researching ships either! Try googling it?
Thanks for offering to help but I'm not going to intrude on your thread with my convoluted Moughan story - I'll let you know when I decide to post my own thread though.

Certificates have arrived!!! I really want to do some research on them NOW but I've gotta go out - what a pain!!! I'll be back this evening though!!

Details are -

Birth: Eliza Allen Holland
24th Sept 1840 'about 5 half am' (does that mean twins??)
at 52 Brewer Street
Father: John Holland, a Master Mariner
(Yippee Julie, I bet thats him on the Nicholas Wood)
Mother: Elizabeth Holland formerley Hughes

Birth: Albert Richer
26th August 1842 at The Red Lion, Paradise Street, Rotherhithe
Father: William Richer, a licensed victualler
Mother: Elizabeth Richer formerley Francis

I found out that the Red Lion only closed in 2003!!

At least we now know the maiden names of both mothers so we can look for them now

Speak later, Sue