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Hi Michelle,
Got your message will wait.
Jones in Wales!! I've been there looking for others in the family I know what you mean.
Thank you once again, but don't worry if you cannot find anything, I gave up on these ages ago, I thought I would come back to them to see if I could find anything out about them with lots of help thank you.
I'm just grateful for the help you have already given me.
Brenda x

Hi Have my grandads birth cert now and Thomas and Florence married 1897 w.ham are his parents they lived in 29 collingwood road walthamstow. The address i have for Thomas John warner is 40 Lennox Road Walthamstow. Hope you can help to find his parents. Thanks Jill

Jill

Jill please remind me of what you needed?Save me searching through my long thread for the details.I do get lots of requests and messages daily and hard to remember details of all of them.
I understand you have your grandads birth cert-what was the birthdate on it?
Are you needing information on Thomas and Florence?If so have you any details from their marriage cert?Father's name and occupations and ages of Thomas and Florence at marriage and any witness names?

Michelle

Hi Michelle
Just wondered if you have anything on 1911 census for Andrew Dalligan born Tipperary and his wife Eliza Magner from Co Cork. They were living in Newington with two children on 1871 census - Lawrence, my grandfather, born 1863 Newington and Amrah.
Many thanks,
Sandra

Hi can youn find anything out for Thomas castle born 1891 reigate surry.mum emma or emily nee simmonds. She later wed amos balchin. I

Sandra

Hi sorry i do not have access to the 1911 on the site i use.

Michelle

June

Looks like the marriage of the parents.Listed as Francess Emily Simmonds

John Castle 1892 Reigate Surrey

Francess Emily Simmonds 1892 Reigate Surrey

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about John Castle
Name: John Castle
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Reigate
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 351 (click to see others on page)


Can i check with you.Was the son called John Thomas Castle?1 i have found has John as first name. Looking at the births in Reigate around this time is this 1

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John Thomas Castle
Name: John Thomas Castle
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Reigate
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 170 (click to see others on page)

the only other 1 is this one

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Thomas Castle
Name: Thomas Castle
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Reigate
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 157 (click to see others on page)

Hi Michelle, the info i am trying to find is on my grandads side Warners. My grandad is James Charles Warner born 1909 West Ham London, he married Irene Doris Ellis 10th oct 1940. His parents were Thomas John Warner born 1878 married Florence Warner (born 1876) on 27th August 1897. Parish of Leyton Essex. I now have the marriage cert for thomas John n Florence he was 26 years and she was 21 years his father is George Warner and is deceased on the cert and its his dad that i now want to trace, is this possible with no other info. Florence's dad is Alfred William Johnson. Thomas John's Rank of profession is a horsekeeper. The marriage of Thomas and Flo was in the presence of Rebecca Clarke and Walter someone cant read it. Look forward to hearing from you.

Jill

Thanks for the details. I am looking at present. Could you give me the address of Thomas at the marriage? Also could you confirm the age was 26?that would make birthyear of 1871.
What a shame that Thomas wasn't at home with Florence on the 1901! I had some credits left on the 1911 and found this

WARNER, THOMAS HEAD M 33 CARMEN LONDON CAMBERWELL
WARNER, FLORENCE WIFE MARRIED 13 YEARS F 35 LONDON BETHNAL GREEN
WARNER, MINNIE DAUGHTER F 13 ESSEX WALTHAMSTOW
WARNER, THOMAS SON M 6 ESSEX WALTHAMSTOW
WARNER, JESSIE DAUGHTER F 3 ESSEX WALTHAMSTOW
WARNER, JAMES SON M 2 ESSEX WALTHAMSTOW

What is odd is this 1871? He is listed here as 33 which is married 13 years which they were 1897 would make him 20 at marriage. I wonder if he pretended to be older as at age was under the full age for marriage which was 21?It of course could be a transcript error and he could be 43?I didnt have enough credits to check the image.
Will see what more i can find on earlier census records now i have a possible birthplace for Thomas.

Michelle

Jill

I am posting a good possible but need to look further into this 1 just to be 100%. So please check back to see whether i am happy with this 1.

1881 England Census
about George Warner
Name: George Warner
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Louise
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Kimpton Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Gardener

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Warner 33
Louise Warner 33
Lizzie Warner 2
William Warner 8
Thomas Warner 3

1881 England Census
about Louise Warner
Name: Louise Warner
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Kimpton Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Warner 33
Louise Warner 33
Lizzie Warner 2
William Warner 8
Thomas Warner 3

1881 England Census
about Lizzie Warner
Name: Lizzie Warner
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Louise
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Kimpton Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Warner 33
Louise Warner 33
Lizzie Warner 2
William Warner 8
Thomas Warner 3

1881 England Census
about William Warner
Name: William Warner
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Louise
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Kimpton Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Warner 33
Louise Warner 33
Lizzie Warner 2
William Warner 8
Thomas Warner 3

1881 England Census
about Thomas Warner
Name: Thomas Warner
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Louise
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Kimpton Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Warner 33
Louise Warner 33
Lizzie Warner 2
William Warner 8
Thomas Warner 3

Will look more into this family

Jill

I just found this death record...a good possible for the George Warner on the 1881 i found

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about George Warner
Name: George Warner
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 42
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 513 (click to see others on page)

Now need to check 1891-1901

Jill

Oooh i am feeling pretty confident i have the right family here.I have the 1891 here and Louise the mother is widowed and living in her house is her brother a William Clarke ( this surname was i believe on the marriage cert of Thomas and Florence?) A Rebecca Clarke....wonder if she was part of the family?

1891 England Census
about Louisa Warner
Name: Louisa Warner
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Warner 42
William Warner 18
Thomas Warner 13
Minnie Warner 7
William Clarke 38

1891 England Census
about William Warner
Name: William Warner
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Warner 42
William Warner 18
Thomas Warner 13
Minnie Warner 7
William Clarke 38

1891 England Census
about Thomas Warner
Name: Thomas Warner
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Warner 42
William Warner 18
Thomas Warner 13
Minnie Warner 7
William Clarke 38

1891 England Census
about Minnie Warner
Name: Minnie Warner
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Warner 42
William Warner 18
Thomas Warner 13
Minnie Warner 7
William Clarke 38

1891 England Census
about William Clarke
Name: William Clarke
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Warner 42
William Warner 18
Thomas Warner 13
Minnie Warner 7
William Clarke 38

Louisa a Wash Ironer
William a Plumber's Labourer
William Clarke a Engineer

Address 6 Kimpton Road

Ok cross fingers for the 1901

Jill

No luck finding Thomas on the 1901 so is obviously well hidden for now.Found the marriage of George Warner and Louisa Clarke though

Louisa Clarke 1870 Camberwell Greater London, London, Surrey
View Record

George Warner 1870 Camberwell Greater London, London, Surrey


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about George Warner
Name: George Warner
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 665 (click to see others on page)

Going to see if i can look back on Louisa and see if their is a connection to a Rebecca Clarke

Jill

Must finish for now. I have work in a few hours and it is very late. I have not finished working on yours yet. Looks good so far but must look more into this.Hope you are happy for now with what i have found and please check back tomorrow night, when i will return to looking

Michelle

Hi Michelle,

I can see you are busy with Jill, so when you get the chance could you have a go at my mystery please.

On the 1841 census I have living in Spon Street Coventry -

John Taylor, aged 47, Watchmaker.
His wife Elizabeth, aged 49.
Son William, aged 20, Watchmaker. (I have researched him successfully)
Daughter Elizabeth, aged 15
Another Elizabeth (presumably Taylor), aged 9.
Mary Ann (presumably Taylor), aged 5

This family just dissapears (with the exception of william) after this census, I have tried all variations of Taylor as well as searching for a John born 1790-1795, same for Elizabeth.

I have all of John and Elizabeth's children who were married before this census was taken.

All John and Elizabeth's children (that I have) were born in Leamington Warks, John was born in Coventry and must have moved to Leamington before 1818 and then back to Coventry after Elizabeth was born (1826) - and the 1841 census.

Maybe your eyes can suss them out somewhere, 'cos sure as heck I can't find them and I doubt that they all died within10 years.

Thanks Michelle,
Kindest regards,
Mardi

Hi Michelle
I am not sure if I have contacted you before about my brick wall so apologises if I have. I have a Robert James Keith Macquire(Muguire)aged 27 marrying on DEc 1906 at Brentford Middlesex to a Flora(Florence)Alice Roberts aged 22. Address for Robert was 32 Lampton Road Hounslow address for FLora was 22 Bath Road Hounslow. Witnesses were P Sheppard & N J Harris. Father's names were Frederick Mugquire & George Roberts (Private Soldier) I am not sure if this may have been her brother not dad because of father's age at time. I have Robert as being born in Croydon ??? and Flora as Hounslow?? my problem is I can't go back any further both lines have disappeared. Please can you help. Thank you Nichola

Mardi

Just starting to work on yours. Could you give me the following information. Have seen some possible member's of the family but need more info on the children you already have before the 1841...can i have there names please and years of birth and married names if you have them . Thanks

Michelle

Michelle, Sorry for the delay in answering - it's 8Am here in Oz..

There was -

John, 1818, Leamington Priors, Married Jane Swain.
William, 1820, Leamington Priors,.Married Eliza.
Elizabeth, 1823, Leamington Priors.
Thomas, 1824 Leamington Priors.

Taylor is such an awful name to research, thousands of them, so I have never been able to find any other children that could have been born in Coventry.

On the '51 census there is a John with a daughter Elizabeth, right age, Holy Trinity, but he is a weaver and he is on other census' so definately the wrong John.

Mardi.

Hi Michelle Thank you so much for the info it looks good, I have the age wrong Thomas was 20 at marriage it looked like a 26. The address at marriage was 26 Griggs Road i expect thats Leyton London or Essex as it was then. Kind regards Jill

Hi You have found Lizzie Warner age 2 in the 1881 census, When Louise and George Warner were aged 33 but she doesnt appear in the 1891 census, when Louisa was now a widow. I wonder if George and Lizzie died at the same time or is this a different family??

Regards Jill