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Kristina

Wow your family has truly hooked me!I have been looking at the children of Henry and Kitty.I think they could well be parents of George..the baptism i hadnt seen yesterday of George cos it was under Summer. I wonder if it might be an idea to get the marriage cert of one of the siblings and see if the father Henry's occupation matches your Henry's occupation?
This is one of the siblings:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Catherine Sumner
Name: Catherine Sumner
Spouse Name: William John Browett
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1858
Parish: St Mark, Shoreditch
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry Sumner
Spouse Father Name: Wm Browett

Although being 1858 occupation maybe different as a few years before your George's marriage.
Also found Kitty's death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Kitty Sumner
Name: Kitty Sumner
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 89 (click to see others on page)

And this i believe is Kitty's sister

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Halfhide
Name: Sarah Halfhide
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Apr 1814
Father's Name: Thomas Halfhide
Mother's Name: Kitty Halfhide
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

On the marriage record of 1832 of Kitty and Henry...father was listed as Thomas.There are other siblings too for Kitty.

Will take a break move on and take a look at yours again later :)

HI Michelle

Wondered if you would be able to help me i seem to be stuck, i have found a marriage for one of my ancestors and i know that his wifes name was Ellen, only problem is on the site i am using it isnt bringing her up, for the ref i have its bringing up 2 males married but only 1 female?????

The marriage was for james sail and Ellen (unknown) married Q2 1887
Basford 7b 193


Can you help?????

Thank you Emily

Brenda

Hi glad you got the cert! Well here looks like a possible marriage for William and Margaret?

William Jenkins 1869 Neath (1837-1970) Breconshire, Glamorgan
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Margaret Jones 1869 Neath (1837-1970) Breconshire, Glamorgan

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about William Jenkins
Name: William Jenkins
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Neath (1837-1970)
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 609 (click to see others on page)

This is based on the possible 1871 i found

1871 Wales Census
about William Jenkins
Name: William Jenkins
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish: Aberavon
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Aberavon
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
William Jenkins 24
Margaret Jenkins 21

1871 Wales Census
about Margaret Jenkins
Name: Margaret Jenkins
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Aberavon
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Aberavon
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
William Jenkins 24
Margaret Jenkins 21


William a Tin Plate worker

3 Charles Street

Very tired tonight so will look at yours again tomorrow and ensure i have the right people

Michelle

Hi Michelle,
I wasn't expecting such a quick reply but thank you very much.
That does look like them doesn't it it is hard not having a child to pin point them with.
I was drawn to the marriage in Merthyr Tydfil, so glad I didn't just go ahead and get it.
Look forward to anything else you can find but as I said no rush.
Thank you again Brenda x

Emily

Can you give me James's birth details please....year and place.The site i use isn't showing it either so i will need to do some detective work!

Michelle

Hi michelle,

James was born 1866 cinderhill (basford) nottingham

thanks Emily

Emily

Sorry cannot be 100% certain on whom he married...my usual methods did not show a definite name for wife.
Did see a possible although page number of record is different to the one James has. This lady also has no spose listed

Ellen Martha Walker 1887 Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Ellen Martha Walker
Name: Ellen Martha Walker
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Basford
County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 240 (click to see others on page)

So sorry you have no choice than to get the marriage cert of James Sail

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about James Sail
Name: James Sail
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Basford
County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 193 (click to see others on page)

The cert will list wifes maiden name and whom her father was.

Michelle

Jill

I have a paid subcription to Ancestry and i use some other sites. Ancestry is good and their are parish records as well as the full census on there.Works out much cheaper to have a subcription as credits on sites are expensive. Ancestry doesnt have the 1911 though. This is why i suggested you try the 1911 site and put the details in i gave you.Pretty sure that was the right family and was hoping if you got the details you could have given me the birthplace...which i thought was London. Otherwise marriage certs are useful things to get as they show age at marriage and father's names and occupations.

Michelle

Brenda

Not 100% on that marriage.Did look again this morning and noticed living next door to them on the 1871 i posted was a Jones family....but hey Jones in Wales...is not unusual!! So could be no connection at all and as yet cant find a link to them.So many Jones in the area.So please do not order that certificate. I will look again for a while and have a good think

Michelle

Hi Michelle

thank you i will go down to basford registry office next week and get the certificate, but thanks for looking for me.

It has been driving me crazy lol

Thanks again

Hi Michelle

Could i ask another search of you please, its for a Isabella Bryant on the 1861, 1871 census. she was born around 1849 biggleswade.

Her married name is wing her husband is robert. I have her on the 1891 census. but cannot find her on the 1881 and 1901 would you be able to have a look to see if you can find her for me.

Thanks again

Emily

Emily

Can you make it clear which census records you need please?Is it the 1881 and 1901 or these and the 1861 and 1871...wasn't clear sorry.

Michelle

Michelle

Sorry all 4, but 2 will be under her maiden name and the later 2 will be under her married name sorry.

emily

Emily

Thought i would post the 1881 to start with as i know you wanted that mistranscibed of course!

1881 England Census
about Robert Winey
Name: Robert Winey
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Brickyard Square
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Winey 24
Isabella Winey 33
James Winey 10
Annie Winey 7
Eliza Winey 5

1881 England Census
about Isabella Winey
Name: Isabella Winey
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Brickyard Square
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Winey 24
Isabella Winey 33
James Winey 10
Annie Winey 7
Eliza Winey 5

1881 England Census
about James Winey
Name: James Winey
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Brickyard Square
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholars

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Winey 24
Isabella Winey 33
James Winey 10
Annie Winey 7
Eliza Winey 5

1881 England Census
about Annie Winey
Name: Annie Winey
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Brickyard Square
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholars

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Winey 24
Isabella Winey 33
James Winey 10
Annie Winey 7
Eliza Winey 5

1881 England Census
about Eliza Winey
Name: Eliza Winey
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Brickyard Square
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholars

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Winey 24
Isabella Winey 33
James Winey 10
Annie Winey 7
Eliza Winey 5

Emily

1901

1901 England Census
about Robert W Wing
Name: Robert W Wing
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberley Holy Trinity
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Hucknall Torkard
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Robert W Wing 54
Isabella Wing 51
Joseph Kay 18
Frank Bloor 18

1901 England Census
about Isabella Wing
Name: Isabella Wing
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert W
Gender: Female
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberley Holy Trinity
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Hucknall Torkard
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Robert W Wing 54
Isabella Wing 51
Joseph Kay 18
Frank Bloor 18

1901 England Census
about Joseph Kay
Name: Joseph Kay
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Newstead, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberley Holy Trinity
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Hucknall Torkard
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Robert W Wing 54
Isabella Wing 51
Joseph Kay 18
Frank Bloor 18

1901 England Census
about Frank Bloor
Name: Frank Bloor
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberley Holy Trinity
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Hucknall Torkard
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Robert W Wing 54
Isabella Wing 51
Joseph Kay 18
Frank Bloor 18

Robert Engine driver in Colliery
Joseph a Baker's Carter
Frank a Colliery Worker

Address Holden Square Cinderhill

Ah and isn't this your James Sail living next door!!wife listed as Nellie...but i presume its Ellen..
Mistranscribed as Sait!

1901 England Census
about James Sait
Name: James Sait
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Nellie
Gender: Male
Where born: Cinderhill, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nuthall
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberley Holy Trinity
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Hucknall Torkard
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
James Sait 35
Nellie Sait 37
Florie Sait 11
Minnie Sait 10
Nellie Sait 9
Grace Sait 6
Dora Sait 5
John W Sait 23

Emily

1861

1861 England Census
about Green Bryant
Name: Green Bryant
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 45
Willm Bryant 17
Susan Bryant 15
Isabella Bryant 12

1861 England Census
about Isabella Bryant
Name: Isabella Bryant
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Green
Gender: Female
Where born: Litlington, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 45
Willm Bryant 17
Susan Bryant 15
Isabella Bryant 12

1861 England Census
about Willm Bryant
Name: Willm Bryant
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Green
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 45
Willm Bryant 17
Susan Bryant 15
Isabella Bryant 12

1861 England Census
about Susan Bryant
Name: Susan Bryant
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Green
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 45
Willm Bryant 17
Susan Bryant 15
Isabella Bryant 12

1861 England Census
about Isabella Bryant
Name: Isabella Bryant
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Green
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 45
Willm Bryant 17
Susan Bryant 15
Isabella Bryant 12

Green a Ag Lab
William a Sheppard


Living next door possible relation to the family?

1861 England Census
about Edmund Bryant
Name: Edmund Bryant
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Edmund Bryant 47
Harriett Bryant 55
Edward Bryant 19
George Bryant 16
Edmund Bryant 13

michelle

that is fab 2 birds with one stone!!!! yay.

most of the family lived in holden square and brick yard square!!!!

thank you

Emily

1871

1871 England Census
about Green Bryant
Name: Green Bryant
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: Edworth
Town: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 66
Isabella Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 22
Thomas James Bryant 4 months

1871 England Census
about Isabella Bryant
Name: Isabella Bryant
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Green
Gender: Female
Where born: Lidlington, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Edworth
Town: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 66
Isabella Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 22
Thomas James Bryant 4 months

1871 England Census
about Isabella Bryant
Name: Isabella Bryant
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Green
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: Edworth
Town: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 66
Isabella Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 22
Thomas James Bryant 4 months

1871 England Census
about Thomas James Bryant
Name: Thomas James Bryant
Age: 4 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Edworth, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: Edworth
Town: Edworth
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Green Bryant 66
Isabella Bryant 56
Isabella Bryant 22
Thomas James Bryant 4 months

Green a Ag Lab

Hi michelle

Thank you again foryour help, i have a family bible with alot of names in and was struggling to link them together, it was Thomas James Bryant throwing me out!!! so it seems he is Illegitimate!!

I couldnt place him due to his surname and DOB, but the census has solved that one for me.

So thanks again.

Emily

Emily

Glad i could help solve the mystery.

Michelle :)