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Nicola

John's birth record

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John Colley
Name: John Colley
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wirral (1837-1974)
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 313 (click to see others on page)

Here i believe are John's parents but you will need to confirm this with certs

1861 England Census
about Samuel Colley
Name: Samuel Colley
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Woodbank Shotwick, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Colley 33
Ann Colley 36
Thos Colley 9
John Colley 7
Alice Colley 5
Maria Colley 2
William Colley 3 Mo

1861 England Census
about Ann Colley
Name: Ann Colley
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Ness Par of Neston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Colley 33
Ann Colley 36
Thos Colley 9
John Colley 7
Alice Colley 5
Maria Colley 2
William Colley 3 Mo

1861 England Census
about Thos Colley
Name: Thos Colley
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Neston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Colley 33
Ann Colley 36
Thos Colley 9
John Colley 7
Alice Colley 5
Maria Colley 2
William Colley 3 Mo

1861 England Census
about John Colley
Name: John Colley
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Neston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Colley 33
Ann Colley 36
Thos Colley 9
John Colley 7
Alice Colley 5
Maria Colley 2
William Colley 3 Mo

1861 England Census
about Alice Colley
Name: Alice Colley
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Sealand, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Colley 33
Ann Colley 36
Thos Colley 9
John Colley 7
Alice Colley 5
Maria Colley 2
William Colley 3 Mo

continued.....

Nicola

1861 for John and family continued....

1861 England Census
about Maria Colley
Name: Maria Colley
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Sealand

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Colley 33
Ann Colley 36
Thos Colley 9
John Colley 7
Alice Colley 5
Maria Colley 2
William Colley 3 Mo

1861 England Census
about William Colley
Name: William Colley
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: F, Sealand

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Colley 33
Ann Colley 36
Thos Colley 9
John Colley 7
Alice Colley 5
Maria Colley 2
William Colley 3 Mo

Samuel a Shepherd

address Sealand

I dont know this area v.well but looking at the map appears Neston is v.near Willaston.So looks good to me!

Nicola

Also noticed on the 1901 Wales Census he is living in Sealand once again.

1901 Wales Census
about John Colley
Name: John Colley
Age in 1901: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Willeston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Sealand
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
John Colley 48
Mary Colley 48
Samuel Colley 19
John E Colley 13

1901 Wales Census
about Mary Colley
Name: Mary Colley
Age in 1901: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Mollington, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Sealand
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
John Colley 48
Mary Colley 48
Samuel Colley 19
John E Colley 13

1901 Wales Census
about Samuel Colley
Name: Samuel Colley
Age in 1901: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Willaston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Sealand
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
John Colley 48
Mary Colley 48
Samuel Colley 19
John E Colley 13

1901 Wales Census
about John E Colley
Name: John E Colley
Age in 1901: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Willaston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sealand
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Sealand
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
John Colley 48
Mary Colley 48
Samuel Colley 19
John E Colley 13

John a Shepherd
Samuel a Ag Lab

Address looks like Marsh Cottage again writing not brill!Hope all the info helps you :) and please ensure you look back on previous page also for the marriage records and details on Mary.

Thank you very very much Michelle!! The info is great!

Nicola

n

Michelle, maybe you could put this in big letters in your first post?

"Please do not place a lookup request on this thread that has already been requested on the boards.For BMD's up to 1920 use free BMD."

e.g. Shemp's thread also of today's date:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1176195&jump=6442195#6442195

Just not fair to the rest of us, or you, when that is done.

Shemp

Please check my first thread on here.I do specify that i do not do lookups that are requested elsewhere on the boards:
This is what i wrote:
'Please do not place a lookup request on this thread that has already been requested on the boards.For BMD's up to 1920 use free BMD.'
I do this not only for my own benefit but also to be fair to the many people who help on the boards.It is unfair to expect people to help when you have already requested me to help.I have this thread mainly for brick walls now.
I see from your thread on the Trying to find board someone has posted some info for you.
I am always happy to help you as i know you have been a regular on my thread for sometime but i must ask you to keep to the rules re posting on one thread for help.

Thanks
Michelle

Shemp

Thanks for removing your request.I am happy to help you in the future if you need help at all.Just remember the one post rule : )

Michelle

Shemp

Hi there and lets see what we can sort out on Mary...

Ok i am starting with the marriage to Benjamin which was infact 1889 and not 1882 as you wrote to me.

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Mary Ann Maugham 1889 Rotherham Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding

Benjamin Winder 1889 Rotherham Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding

Makes much more sense as she would have been only 13 if it was 1882.

Here are the married couple on the 1891

1891 England Census
about Ben Winder
Name: Ben Winder
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wath upon Dearne All Saints
Town: Wath Upon Dearne
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ben Winder 23
Mary Ann Winder 20
James Winder 1

1891 England Census
about Mary Ann Winder
Name: Mary Ann Winder
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Ben
Gender: Female
Where born: Wath, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wath upon Dearne All Saints
Town: Wath Upon Dearne
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ben Winder 23
Mary Ann Winder 20
James Winder 1

1891 England Census
about James Winder
Name: James Winder
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ben
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Newhills, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wath upon Dearne All Saints
Town: Wath Upon Dearne
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ben Winder 23
Mary Ann Winder 20
James Winder 1

Ben a Coal Miner

And look who is living next door....the witnesses to the marriage!

1891 England Census
about Utley Truelove
Name: Utley Truelove
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wath upon Dearne All Saints
Town: Wath Upon Dearne
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Utley Truelove 27
Eliza Truelove 24
Eliza Hannah Truelove 7
Sarah Truelove 5
George Wm Truelove 4
Mary Elizth Truelove 2
Maria Truelove 6/12

Small world...hey!Well i will work back now.

Shemp

Going to wait to hear from you the details i requested in my message to you.I believe her father's name is Charles a coal miner.Could you let me know please and then i will look again and give you the details i have found.
Also can you tell me where you got her mother being Catherine Markham from please?

Thanks
Michelle

Shemp

Your key to getting the correct census records for Mary is the marriage cert.Have you got the marriage cert of her marriage to Ben Winder?You listed the witnesses to me so i presume you have it?Was Aaron listed on there as father?Could you let me know please.Sorry to ask again but i need to have the facts to help you.What was her age listed as on the marriage cert?Also do you require census info on Ben Winder?

Thanks
Michelle

hi michelle i did find most of the census you have found .
and i found a mary ann living with charles mangham who i did think was her father but i went to all st church and that is when i found out her father was aaron mangham when she marride ben winder i got a copy of the marrage entre.with charles not been her father i looked in archives at rotherham and lookedfor aaaron and all his family he did have a child mary ann in 1869.but also i found out a son aaron was born april same year .he died following year .which made me think with all hischildren except mary ann been baptised in wath she wernt his .
i then looked in bmd for mary ann and a birth came up for her sept 1869 roth so this is when i sent for birth cert and a bartholomuw mangham and catherine markham was her parents on it.
so i had a marrage with aaron on has father .
charles his brother living next doorwith mary ann has his daughter .
everything you have said istrue about the marrage cert she was 19 when she got marride to ben .and bart mangham and ctherine on birth cert .
anything you find on both familys i would appreciate it will help to double check them all .and thank you very much.

Shemp

Will take a good look later this eve on both sides of the family for you.Thanks for information...and how strange the 2 father's names???I will check the census records and BMD's and see what i can find and also check Ben Winder's family.

Michelle

Shemp

Ok i am looking at Aaron at the moment and i have his christening record here

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

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AARON MANGHAM Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 JUN 1842 Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: CHARLES MANGHAM Family
Mother: JANE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

I think you need to go by the marriage cert and if the certificate says Aaron is father then he must be.Although what i think is strange is the census records for Aaron.The 1871 census has a daughter Anne listed as 9 years old?If Mary was born 1869 she should have been on the 1871 and roughly 2??

Interesting here....look at the 1901 of Aaron and Martha...look who is staying with them...Ben Winder and Mary Mangham's son James!listed as Grandson to Aaron and Martha. So there is your evidence...pretty good evidence!

1901 England Census
about Aaron Mangham
Name: Aaron Mangham
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wath All Saints
Town: Wath
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
Aaron Mangham 62
Martha Mangham 62
James Windon 12

1901 England Census
about Martha Mangham
Name: Martha Mangham
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Aaron
Gender: Female
Where born: Mexborough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wath All Saints
Town: Wath
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
Aaron Mangham 62
Martha Mangham 62
James Windon 12

1901 England Census
about James Windon
Name: James Windon
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Newhills, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wath All Saints
Town: Wath
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
Aaron Mangham 62
Martha Mangham 62
James Windon 12

Aaron a farm carter
Address Richmond's Houses Newhill

and to make certain as the surname of James is mistranscribed as Windon here is his parents on the 1901...and James is not with them.

1901 England Census
about Mary A Winder
Name: Mary A Winder
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Ben
Gender: Female
Where born: Wath, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: West Melton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Newhills
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members: Name Age
Ben Winder 32
Mary A Winder 30
Harry Winder 9
William H Winder 7
Aaron Winder 5
David Winder 3
George A Winder 1

Will look at records now to see about her birth record.

Shemp

There are a 3 possible BMD's...which is the 1 you sent for?the 1869?I suspect the 1871 1 is the daughter of Charles and Violet?I am having trouble finding a marriage for Aaron and Martha...so wondering if Mary had her mother's surname???I will look into the marriage it must be mistranscribed.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Mangham
Name: Mary Ann Mangham
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Rotherham
County: Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 524 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary A Mangham
Name: Mary A Mangham
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Rotherham
County: Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 603 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Mangham
Name: Mary Mangham
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Rotherham
County: Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 542 (click to see others on page)

thank you yes it was the 1869 birth cert i sent for .
the second one is charles manghams daughter,
thank you im very greatful for what help you have gave me .

n

Hi Michelle
I have tried freebmd and findmypast plus GR but to no avail. I cannot find the birth of Robert Keith Macquire (1880) died in 1937. He married a Flora Alice Grace Roberts in Dec 1906 at Brentford Middlesex. On 1911 census they are living in Fulham but by 1919 they have moved to Croydon. He was in the navy and was a marine stoker in Croydon. I am also having problems trying to find Flora A G Roberts no birth details. On their marriage records it says Mugquire but this hasn't helped me either. I know about their children but cannot go back any further. Please could you help me. Thank you Nichola

Nichola

Will take a look for you...couple of questions:

1) Have you got the marriage cert of 1906?what was father's name?and witness names?and age of Robert at marriage?

2) What was his birthplace listed as on the 1911 and also Flora?also her birthyear please.

Could you give me this info please

Michelle

Hi Michelle
Sorry after I posted I realised I hadn't given you enough info. It said Robert was born in Croydon Surrey on 1911 census he was aged 31 years. Flora Alice Roberts was born London Hommerton?? she was aged 27 years. The father's names were registered as George Roberts and Frederick Mugquire. I haven't got certificate but someone else has seen certificate and gave me this information. Several of my relatives have tried in the past to investigate history but all have failed so thank you for trying. Nichola