General Chat

Roy I shall have to look at that tomorrow as I can not access YouTube on this computer but thank you.

When you do Errol, look at the body language ,

Whilst living in S Wales , Mrs T time in office did affect my husband's job.in the Steelworks.

But I just hope that she is laid to rest peacefully tomorrow /today being past midnight.

Show some respect for the woman,not the politcian.

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Muffy I have PMd you.

Sandie I will do and I agree with your sentiments.

EDITED because Muffy has deleted which I respect

Nothing wrong with letting off a bit of steam now and again when needed

nah there kind of is.......my feelings aren't everyone elses......I shouldn't expect them to be where I am at the mo......it's private and i shouldn't have brought it on here.

Please ignore me.

I have nothing sensible to contribute just gut feelings and that's not good enough for debate.....annoys me when others do it.....i will delete shortly.

Absolutely no need to delete - plus if you do I'll have to edit or delete my posts so the thread still makes sense and I can't be bothered lol

Too late ...lol..sorry :-0

All this stuff about fear of Scargill even today. Tell, you what, if I was in your class Errol, I would be scared stiff to ask a question or disagree with you. And I think I would have to agree with Roy and all these ex-miners who think Lady Thatcher was the bees knees - because I would be frightened to disagree with Roy also. Both of you much scarier than Arthur Scargill.

Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru leader) put it succinctly today. Lady Thatcher did not believe in society. Well, we do in Wales, she continued. And her biggest achievement for Wales was creating support for devolution.

And Kirsty Williams (Lib Dem leader) said she was at school when Mrs T came to power and she disagreed with her policies so much that it encouraged her to get into politics.

Andrew R T Davies (Con leader) said she was the greatest peacetime Prime Minister.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

She never said there was no such thing as society.

Do a bit of research and read the whole fecking speech.

Bloody sheep believing the sound bites

(no disrespect meant Errol)

John in the spirit of this thread I would ask that you remove your comments about myself and Roy as they could be seen or perceived by some as personal and inflammatory

My last line in my last postI did'nt mean you personally l Errol ! for respect.
As a gent I assumed you would have anyway.

It very very hard for peoples who's lives where affected by the polotics at the time not to feeel bitter.

I'm not in favour of the taxpayers paying for the funeral.

But please ......let her funeral goes without discord.
Not peeps on here obviously.
Void of physical protesters.
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Thank you Sandie

The Mail Online has been serializing parts for a biography of Mrs Thatcher by Robin Harris

It was very interesting yesterday to read how she financed her studies at Oxford ....................

.......... her mentor and supervisor found grants that MT could apply for, and luckily won them, because that was the ONLY way she could manage to pay her way through university.


Her father was apparently very mean .................. they did not have hot water in the flat, and the loo was in the backyard (as many of us were also raised), because he didn't believe luxuries were necessary.

He refused to pay for her university education or support .......


........ and that I think puts to rest a theory proposed on this thread earlier that she was only able to get her degree because she was funded by a rich father.


And, apparently, in later life, Mrs T hated for it to be known that she had to depend on grant money in order to complete her degree.



AnnC commented a couple of pages ago about her living in the Ritz, and hwo lonely that must have been ..........


....... I posted much earlier on this thread that she was living there after being invited by the owners to stay for as long as she needed. That happened after she had a minor op in hospital before Christmas, and was released with the statement that she would be unable to return to live independently in her own house because she was unsteady on her feet.

She did have at least 2 carers at the house before she went into hospital ..................... the last known photo of her in a newspaper was taken in May last year when she had an outing to a local park with both carers in attendance ...................... and they moved with her to the Ritz, taking it in turns to stay, so that there was someone with her at all times.

That would seem to indicate that very good care was being taken of her.



and as others have said ................... staying in the Ritz would be preferable, and very enjoyable!!!!

I very much echo the sentiments in Tecwyn's post and also hope the funeral passes without incident.

However, as Tecwyn said, the scale of the funeral, to be paid for by the tax payer can be seen as a slap in the face to those struggling on a very limited income and some form of protest seems inevitable. And there are some with long memories who still feel very bitter about her legacy. This is why I fear it will not pass peacefully.

Some have been advocating wearing red today or turning their backs on the procession as it passes. We have a long history in the UK of passive protest such as this and my hope is that "action" will be limited to such measures today in London.

Were the funeral a smaller and more private affair then there would have been less organised protest, I feel.

I case I'm misunderstood, which seems to be happening a lot over the last day or so, I reiterate that my hope is that the funeral passes peacefully and any protest is limited to token gestures.

John, There you go again, I would very much appreciate it if you STOP taking my posts and interpreting them to suit your own agenda

I never said anyone "fear of Scargill" I said, I do no that some are keeping quiet for fear of intimidation from the old militants who still worship Scargill


As for saying "I would be frightened to disagree with Roy"

Plenty disagree with me and I have no problem with that "I love the debate" but I will not tolerate the personal insults of the kind you used to turn to when you first appeared on the general chat board.

Roy

I believe there was a private service just for family and close political friends last night. It was pretty widely publicised and I have not seen mention of any protests. And there will be a private cremation today after event and that should go without incident.

Although Roy talks of a busload of miners going down to honour her from Yorkshire (and that will probably be main billing in the right wing papers tomorrow), I doubt many are going down from areas still heavily bruised by Strike nearly 30 years ago.

May be wrong, but suspect police will be monitoring local people and their rent a gob friends who might try to make a political protest today against David Cameron. Benefit cap, bedroom tax protests are to the fore, and this event and teh Marathon are easy targets. Not the rabble suggested, but in my mind very misguided protestors if they use an event like this. Eyes of the world on Britain, inward investment, tourism, new jobs etc. It is not a football match where many turn their backs as a protest.

Sincerely hope it is an uplifting day for those who wish to remember our late Prime Minister, Baroness Thatcher.

Today Baroness Thatcher will be laid to rest, according to some she divided a nation when she was alive - and her death has resurrected these divisions.

I am hoping that the funeral will not be disrupted, and that any protests, as there will be protests, will be quiet and dignified. Alas in this country like many other countries, there are those who think the answers to problems and divisions can only be solved by displays of anarchy, and I fear we will see some of those today.

Any person who serves in the highest political office in the land, the office of Prime Minister, should receive some public recognition reflecting their length of time in office and their achievements.

However, in my view, the grandeur and cost of the funeral for Baroness Thatcher, is that at this time of austerity and cutbacks, when many ordinary decent people are having difficulty in making ends meet, the expense of this funeral is not justified and many will be angered by this.

I feel a more appropriate funeral would have been for her coffin to lie overnight in the Chapel of St Mary Undercroft in the Palace of Westminster, and on the day of the funeral for it to be taken the full journey to St Paul's Cathedral in a hearse, perhaps a horse drawn hearse, and when the hearse arrived at St Paul's Cathedral there could be a small Guard of Honour waiting to escort the coffin into the cathedral.

I said at the beginning, that I feared that we would see some displays by the anarchy crowd today, my message to them is, are you totally off your heads, do you not realise that such actions will only play into the hands of a government who will grab anything they can use to back up their ideology that everyone on benefits are layabouts and scroungers :-|

With respect if people are still heavily bruised by Strike action nearly 30 years ago then shame on them,

Things happen to all of us in life but at some point you have to pick yourself up brush yourself off and start again that's been the case since time began

One thing that's not been said is that these areas affected with redundancies particularly with the miners who had the biggest redundancy pay packet in history and most chose to spend it on new cars holidays and down the pub where they spent hours crying in their beer rather than doing something constructive with the money, So I have absolutely no sympathy with them who given the chance and the finance to make a difference to their life but never, Plenty Did use the opportunity and started their own businesses

Roy

You keep making that point about barrowloads of compo, Roy. It doesn't explain the bruising 30 years on. Yes, many are financially quite well off today, but the worry is for families, communities. Nothing much to keep the young people in the valleys today.

Long memories in mining communities as you will know. Families still looked down on because an ancestor broke ranks in 1926. Families preferred to starve in 1920's rather than break ranks. That defiant spirit remains today - as they go to work in light industry and the service sector. The pit head baths are a supermarket now.

Compensation would never compensate for the loss of a way of life. However hard and unhealthy coal mining was, it was being streamlined, new technology. Balance sheets need to also be looked at in terms of human accountancy rather than cold £p. Generation after generation had worked to create a vibrant and fairly profitable industry. They expected some hope for their children in the area they had come to love.

just heard a police spokesman state that the protesters will be put in a quite place out of the way

thatchers police state is alive and well

mind you he made some good suggestions
people may throw lumps of coal or bottles of milk
even i didnt think of that