General Chat

I have been watching the attempted eviction action on the news this morning.

The manpower employed is phenomenal and this additional force is needed because of the 'supporters' who have barricaded the entrances and are generally being damn obstructive.

Their mantra is 'the eviction is racial discrimination' errrr no it's a contravention of planning laws and the consequence which all of us would suffer.

Personally I would like the activists to be arrested and sentenced for civil disorder offences and of course stop their benefits if they are receipt of any. You can't search for a job if you are chained to a car!

The clean up costs of a site in Wales after it was taken over by a group of 'green activists' was in the £millions. The rubbish has to be cleared, human waste removed and the land scraped to decontaminate it.

I'd round up all activists who act in this way and stick them on an island where they could just live in their own filth and not in anyone else's back yard.

Rant over.

Sue

l'll be very close behind you Sue!!!!

jude

Can I join the queue? I find it sickening that the activists are able to get away with it. They are anarchists and just want to cause disruption.

Agree they are not helping at all and feel the gypsie/travellers are going to suffer more bad press over their actions.

There are those who tag on to any protest. Tent city at St, Paul's - protester said just that - he was there because he liked protests!

Seems crazy that it has taken 10 years - has this been caused by red tape and delaying tactics all along?

Sick to the stomach of hearing *do gooders* spout absolute crud about this...every court in the land has deemed their actions ILLEGAL. Just because they're travellers (who don't travel)..it doesn't make them above the law.

Just heard them claim police brutality.....quelle surprise...I'd have put money on them claiming that.......strangely though..nothing much said about the poor police who are having ROCKS thrown at them FFS :-S

One of them also peed on the police - I'd be tempted to rig up the scaffolding to a 50,000 volt power line!

And those animals claim that it's THEIR human rights being breeched? What about the poor sods going about their daily work trying to UPHOLD the law? What of their rights?

Filthy and shocking.

I'll stop there......

Why don't they go back to Ireland? I mention Ireland because that is the accent I seem to hear. There is plenty of room there to move about. I am not being racist - I am tired like so many others, of those who were not born in UK, costing us money we can ill afford.

Charity becomes at home.

what i dont get is that they have bean offered houses but refuse because it is not "their" culture they are travellers , so why are they not travelling if that is their way of life . I dont get it lol
Rose

They bought the original site legally - no problem there. The illegal expansion of the site to double the original size is what caused the problem.

OH's family were gypsies and did travel until the late 1800s and moved into bricks and mortar. It's a different type of traveler nowadays and they certainly don't fit with our romantic view of gypsies traveling the country in traditional horse drawn caravans.

In most cases they are their own worst enemies, just check out how lay byes are left when they move on.

OH has lots of family living in Ireland. They don't like free-loaders and people leaving mess everywhere either.

Every single aggressive person should be prosecuted - and given the police bill to pay.

I have Romany Gypsies in one line of my family...They eventually moved to Ealing and became *horse whisperers* My GG Grandfather I believe was the first to settle outside of the community..

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15357932
Basildon Council leader Tony Ball:
"The pre-meditated and organised scenes of violence that we have already seen with protesters throwing rocks and bricks, threatening police with iron bars and setting fire to a caravan are shocking.

"These are utterly disgraceful scenes and demonstrate the fact some so-called supporters were always intent on violence.

"Nonetheless we are going to press on with this operation with our partners in a safe, dignified and humane way and will uphold the law."

Mr Ball added: "I feel some sympathy for the women and children who have been misled by their own community who said that if they settled on the site they would be granted planning permission and this was never the case."

He said that "alternative bricks and mortar accommodation" offered to the travellers had been turned down."

my point is
if they were travellers as they claim they would be travelling
why should they be allowed to break the laws of this country
i say deport them back to ireland where most of them come from
some even own houses there which they rent out
so get the tax man on those who flaunt the laws of this country
as for the rest back date the comunity charges they havent paid
maybe take the caravans in lue of payment
and i would also like to know who is footing their leagel bills
if its cost the council 18 million to get them out
why havent the council been awarded costs
as they have lost their action to stay
and bill them for the clean up of the site hit them in the pocket
god knows what a nusance they have been
to the law abiding peole in the neibourhood ( RANT OVER )

Those being evicted have not made things any better for the travellers on the other half of the site. They were willing to compromise and live within the law.

No doubt it would be possible for the people from the illegal part of the site to do the same thing and find a site they could buy and develop within the law.

They are a racial minority but this is not really about that. Nobody can rent out a bit of their garden to some distant relative as a home.

With luck, this will mean that no property developer can gain unfair advantage with planning applications by citing his Romany ancestry, however spurious.

But these are mainly Irish travellers. I would think the Romany fraternity would not like to be associated with them. I read a book recently in which it was stated that the advent of the Irish and other 'travellers' ruined the real Romany gypsy life for genuine gypsies.And many of the Roamny gypsies then moved into houses.

Very true Sharron.

the behaviour of the "activists" is appauling, im speechless!

I think travellers occupy a different place in Irish society. I don't really know what it is there but the Irish economy has always been very different from the English.

English gypsies traditionally filled a place that is now occupied more by Eastern European labour, casual work and harvesting that made their mobility very useful. Unfortunately our economy has evolved in such a way that it is no longer such an asset.