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Think I may have sussed it.........I think Jane may be John.
On the 1841 census when you look at the image Jane is under the column for males not females, and John isn`t on the 1841 census, she then dos`nt appear with the rest of the family in 1851 when John does, admittedly she could have married, so will go and have a look for her...
EDIT...The only Jane Roath marriage between 1837 and 1871 is to a George Cannons in Alton Hants in 1845.... { when Jane would only have been about 13 or 14 anyway}... think this is them in 1851, so definetly not your Jane..
CANNONS, George Head Married M 26 1825 Agr Lab
Medsted
Hampshire VIEW
CANNONS, Jane Wife Married F 30 1821
Farringdon
Hampshire VIEW
CANNONS, Edwin Son M 4 1847
Medsted
Hampshire VIEW
CANNONS, Robert Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1851
Medsted
Hampshire VIEW
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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1679 Folio:
25 Page:
16
Registration District:
Alton Sub District:
Alton Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Medsted Municipal Borough:
Address:
Common, Medsted County:
Hampshire
EDIT...Also when you look at the baptism record for ST Phillips it says that Jane was baptised on 30th Dec. 1834, and Richard not until 22nd Aug 1836, making it look as though Jane was at least 20 months older than Richard,{ presuming he wasn`t already born when Jane was Baptised., as surely if he was he would have been baptised on the same day?} But on the 1841 census Richard shows as the same age as Jane, I think in this case the enumerator rounded the childrens ages to the nearest 5 years, when in fact they were only meant to do that with adults,as in 1851 Richard is 2 years older than John which ties in with all the following census entries and their death entries.
So I think Jane and John James as per the baptism records from st Philips died, and your John was born c1837/1838.
Nicky
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WOW! I've just come in and found you did all that detective work for me, Nicky. I've been poring over my notes for days now. I've read your theory through twice and I've got to think this one through...
I thought it would be odd that they didn't baptise him at St Phillips even if he wasn't officially registered. He is also so clear on all the other cesus returns right up to his death - although it took some chasing up of all his wives.
Thanks for your on going help, Nicky, I'll get back to you with what I think about all this.
love
Jill
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I've had a really good look at the 1841 census and the name is definitely JANE but the age IS in the male column, and looks to be rounded up or down, So was the enumerator getting a bit tired and fed up?
Three of the children were baptised at St Phillips at the same time in 1836:
JANE, MARY ANN and JOHN JAMES ROATH
I would guess that mother was getting them all "done" before they moved to Wales. I can find no death for Jane or John James.
I don't know, Nicky. I still think 'my' John is a separate person.
I've GOT to get someone to study the St Phillips registers for me, haven't I?
A sad little story is that he was my granddad's grandfather and was never mentioned in our house so he never knew his four grandchildren, including my mother, who were all born before he died.
Thanks for all the delving, Nicky
Jill
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Hi Jillian
I wonder if you can help me out here with some information please?
You have a Henry Roath (grandson) living with his grandmother Jane in both 1861 and 1871. Do you know who this Henry's parents are at all, or any info about Henry after 1871?
In 1871 there is also a grandson Arthur living with Jane........I can find Arthur in 1881, but Henry seems to completely disappear.
I'm asking in order to try and rule this Henry out from my search for my Henry Rose, born about the same time and place.........try saying Roath with a lisp and see how it sounds to someone unfamiliar with the name. LOL.
Your Henry seems to disappear in 1881 and strangely enough that's the same time that my Henry suddenly appears!!
Many thanks
Mary
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Sorry Mary,I haven't followed Henry up at all, but I like your reasoning about the name!
I've found Henry Roath in Kelly's directory in 1900 and 1908 as a polisher at 13 Warstone Lane.
Apart frrom Henry as Jane's grandson in 1871 age 14 as Pearl button maker I don't have any info on his parents.
But if anything turns up I will let you know.
cheers
Jill
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Hi Jill
Many thanks, probably not the same person.......but you never know! LOL
Having spent many many years searching for any sign of my Henry Rose before 1881, you can see I'm getting desperate!! LOL
Mary
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I'm getting just as puzzled by my John Roath so keep your eyes peeled! I thought it would be easy - yesterday I got a Welsh lady to say 'Roath' with a Welsh accent as they were Brummies in Wales and then I got a German friend to say Roath with a German accent as one family had a German visitor. I thought they might be 'Roth' family. Apparently the German for Roath would be "Rote" - not sounding the 'h'.
Keep on searching
Jill
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