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Are there any Romany Contacts in Lancashire / Lancaster as i have tried all other routs and had no luck. I am looking for Smith Contacts (romany roots ) The last Place that my Romany Smiths lived.

JoeG

Which is the first place they lived Joseph (that you know of)? It might be worth looking at the whole of the North, maybe even Scotland. Mary Horner at Romany Road may be able to help. I do have Smiths, but all Warwicks/Northants. I presume you've got the census records? Most Romany folk were baptised, that could be an option, to get copies of the baptism entries.

Thank you Romany Star.
I will try and locate baptism entries. I have little information on my Grandfarther who was a George Smith he used to deal and work with horses,then opened their own buisnes and lived in Liverpool. I no he had relations in Lancaster who owened a Scrap Yard,Names of Fred / Ethel / Danial / Blanch / Eliza. ialso beleve i had some conection to an Evangelist Smith who whent to the USA. As you will no a lot of Romany's came from Europe and name changes.
Again thank you for your help.
Joseph

hello romany star i was wondering if you could help me???

i was told by my nan that there was romany gypsies in our family but how do i go about finding out as i don't really know much about this as my nan never said??

thank you

trudy

Trudy, I can do my best but no promises. We need names, places, and years. If you can find any of these out from your family or certificates I'll have a mooch around and email a few people. x

Joseph, thats actually a good deal to go on, many people have hardly anything. Re: Lancaster, have you written to the local papers, or maybe you could go up there for a weekend? Regarding the person who emigrated to the USA, there may be a record on the passenger lists. Depending when it was, the American census may throw some clues up. Im really sorry I cant offer more, but if you put a message in the guestbooks of Romanygenes and Romany Road someone might recognise the names. All my Smith's were Warks/Oxon based.

thank you romany star the only names i know are

alma head 1919

alma day 1878

edmund day 1850

william head 1880?

all around the kent area sorry i don't know much else.

thank you for trying

trudy

Thanks for that, I'll have a good go today. If anyone else reading this wants a try, the more the merrier!

1881:
Alma H. Day
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edmund J.
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Dartford, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Stone in Dartford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 2 Cotts Back 1
OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS:
Alice C. Day 4
Alma H. Day 3
Charlotte Day 32
Edmund J. Day 31
Elves E. Day 6
Emily A. Day 9
May Day 10 (This should be Mary)

1891:
Alma Day 13
Charlotte Day 42
Elvy Day 16
Ernest Day 9
John Day 41
Lenoard Day 4
Silby Day 8
Mary Lusher 20
William Lusher 24

1901:
Alma Day 23 (Daughter of James)
Emma Easterby 46
James Easterby 45
Phoebe Enfield 18
Alice Large 1
Fanny Large 28
Albert Oliver 45
Alfred Reynolds 40
Rosella Reynolds 28
Edwin Riva 30

thank you romany star is there anyway you can tell if there is any romany connection with any of the names above???
thank you so much

trudy

At the min I dont know. Her father was a labourer, then an engine cleaner, and they lived in a house; although there were many gypsies around the Stone area. It could have been her stepfather? I notice the family moved to Swanscombe by 1901, if its the correct Alma then her mum remarried 1891-1901.

Update, I dont think the Alma on the 1901 is yours, so be wary there are 2 Alma Day's born the same year, same place.

ok thank you for looking though


thank you


trudy

It'll be worth posting on the sites Ive mentioned. Ive already posted on Gypsies Passing Through for you. You need Alma's family before she was born, ie census reports pre 1881. I can do this if you havent already.

thank you so much romany star for your help i really am greatful.

thank you

trudy

have been told that my great granddad was a romany gypsy, George heaven born 1890 not sure where and had a daughter called ivy irene born 1911 in birmingham. i have found her birth details but they dont show a mothers maiden name. any help on where to go next.

Angie

hello romany star i have two possibles for alma's mother!

charlotte joyce 1849????

charlotte cornford 1849????

i don't know if this will help at all??

thank you

trudy

Trudy: This info may help when you get further back: (PS You need Alma's birth cert to verify her mum.)

DECEMBER 3RD 1768 ENGLAND
ON TUESDAY LAST JOHN AND THOMAS DAY BROTHERS OF COCKLFIELD WERE COMMITTED TO BURY GAOL ON THEIR OWN CONFESSING OF KLLING A SHEEP THE PROPERTY OD THOMAS SMITH THEIR FATHER MOSES DAY WAS ALSO COMMITTED FOR RECIEVING STOLEN GOODS.
WEDNESDAY APRIL 24TH 1799 ENGLAND
A FEW DAYS SINCE ONE OF THE PEOPLE CALLED GYPSIES WHOSE NAME WAS ANN DAY AT THE AGE OF 108 YEARS UNDER A HEDGE NEAR HENLOW BEDFORDSHIRE DIED AND WAS BURIED AT ARISEY NEAR THIS TOWN.
HER FUNERAL WAS ATTENDEDBY A VAST CONCOURSE OF PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBOURING VILLAGES BUT ONLY BY TWO OF THE PEOPLE TO WHICH SHE BELONGED, WHO CALLED THEMSELVES HER SON & DAUGHTER THE FORMER 82 AND LATTER 89 YEARS OF AGE AND EACH HAVING GREAT GRAND CHILDREN.
THIS WELL KNOWN CHARACTER WAS FOR MANY YEARSPAST CONVEYED ROUND THE COUNTRY UPON A ASS ATTENDED BY 2 OR 3 FEMALES OF HER OWWN COMPLEXION
SHE HAD GROWN ALMOST DOUBLE AND HAD OFTEN DECLARED SHE HAD NEVER SLEPT IN A BED FOR 70YEARS AND FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS HAD NOT A TOOTH IN HER HEAD, NOR SIGHT FROM ONE EYE.
SHE LOST 3 OF HER TOES ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO BY THE FROST AND AT THE SAME TIME LOST THE USE OF ONE OF HER ARMS.

Angela, I'll do my best and ask around. If you order Ivy's birth cert it'll give you her mums name. Then you can find her ancestors too, they may be Romany. Have pm'ed you.