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Great to hear about the cert, Shelley.

Ozi.

hi all,,

I received the birth cert today and this is what it says....

16th dec 1908

9 back egypt terrace
rawtenstall

father: joseph henry hocking

mother: mary alice hocking formerly adlum

joseph a cotton spinner

registered in january 1909 by reg william taylor

so now we know great grans parentage

if you need any help its

[email protected] if i dont reply

thnx

shell

Shelly


Great news!!

and Joseph Henry may have been known as Harry by some people.

But it is good to know that Ozi and I were following the right family.

I have to go out soon, but I'll look back in a few hours and re-read what we did, and see what else I can find.



sylvia

thnx

sylvia

xxxx

Shelly

I've re-read the thread and I think this is what I have to suggest, 'cos we all got quite confused at times!


Your next step is to get Joseph Henry and Mary Alice's marriage certificate, as these are the names on Eva's birth certificate.



Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)

ADLUM Mary Alice Haslingden 8e 171
Hocking Joseph Henry Haslingden 8e 171

Hopefully, Joseph will have a father named on it! But we will certainly get a better idea of his age.


sylvia

To recap, we did find the following. which now seem to be your Joseph Henry Hocking

Births Jun 1881

HOCKING Joseph Henry Haslingden 8e 132

Getting this certificate would tell you his mother's name, father's name and mother's maiden name if he was not illegitimate. It may also indicate if he was a twin.

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Then we find the following on the 1891 Census

1891 census


Name: Joseph H Hockin
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawshawbooth, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Higher Booths
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Crawshaw Booth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Rossendale
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Hartley 25
Eliza J Hockin 27 b.ca 1864, Falmouth, Cornwall, sister-in-law, working in cotton mill
Harriet Hockin 56 b.ca 1835, Falmouth, mother-in-law
Joseph H Hockin 10
Edith A Medlin 3
Joseph H Medlin 28 b.ca 1863, Falouth, Head, Widower
William J Medlin 1

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Joseph Medlin married a Hocking

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)

Hocking Hannah Maria Haslingden 8e 173
Medlin Joseph Henry Haslingden 8e 173

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Hannah's death

Deaths Mar 1891 (>99%)

Medlin Hannah Maria 29 Haslingden 8e 97



sylvia

1881 Census

1881:

Name: Joseph H. Hacking
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawshawbooth, Lancashire, England


Civil parish: Higher Booths
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Slydings

Occupation:

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Rossendale
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
...>>>Harriet Hacking 45 - b. ca 1836, Falmouth, Cornwall, Widow,
Anna A. Hacking 22 b.ca 1859, Redruth, Cornwall, servant,
...>>>Eliza J. Hacking 17 b.ca 1864, Redruth, Cornwall, lab in cotton mill,
Harriet Hacking 12 b.ca 1869, Redruth
Mary E. Hacking 10 b.ca 1871, Redruth
...>>>Joseph H. Hacking 1 month b.ca 1881
Joseph H. Hacking 22 b.ca 1858, Falmouth, nephew

it looks more like HOcking on the image than Hacking!

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1901 Census

Name: Joseph Hocking
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawshawbooth, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rawtenstall Formerly Lower Booths
Ecclesiastical parish: Rawtenstall St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Rawtenstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen J Archibald 12
John A Archibald 18
Jonathan Archibald 54 Head
Lillian Archibald 9
Mary E Archibald 14
Nancy L Archibald 43
Nancy M Archibald 16
Joseph Hocking 20 Cotton Spinner
John Ruthoer 81



sylvia

Brilliant Sylvia, it's really coming together now, isn't it?

At least a couple of Shelly's uncle's points seem to be vindicated:

"Josephs mother was called hocking and worked ........ in redruth cornwall ...... and she came to live in lancashire. ..... she went to live with josephs wife to be family ..... and joe married the daughter of the family they were living with"

- the Joseph who married Mary Adlum does look to have had a mother born in Cornwall

- he and his Hocking family went to live with another Joseph's family (the Joseph Medlin from Falmouth) - but dates needed really and the reference to Joseph's wife might be Hannah Maria, or it might be a previous wife of Joseph Medlin?

- Joseph Medlin married Hannah Maria Hocking and the two families were living together in 1891.

As you say, none of this is proved, but it is looking feasible. I look forward to some twins turning up along the line!

1871 Census

Name: Eliza Hocking
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: Redruth, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Redruth
Town: Redruth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Redruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Hocking 7
Harriet Hocking 47 b .ca 1824, Falkland, Cornwall
Harriet Hocking 3 b.ca 1868, Redruth
Joseph Hocking 40 b.ca 1831, Falkland, Sawyer
Joseph Hocking 16 b.ca 1855, Redruth, Mason
Maria Hocking 12 b.ca 1859, Redruth

Address:- FordsView (??), Redruth

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1816 Census

Name: Harriet Hocking
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Falmouth, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Redruth
Town: Redruth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Redruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Maria Hocking 1 b.ca 1860, Redruth
Harriet Hocking 35
Joseph Hocking 32 b.ca 1829, Falmouth, Sawyer (Journeyman)
Joseph H Hocking 7 b.ca 1854, Redruth

Address:- 31 Fords Row, Redruth (sharing with another family)

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1851 Census


Name: Harriet Hocking
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Falmouth, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Redruth
Town: Redruth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Redruth
Sub-registration district: Redruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1j
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 220
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Hocking 26
Joseph Hocking 25 b.ca 1826, Falmouth, Sawyer in Copper Mine

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Joseph and Harriet's marriage registration (and just look at her maiden name!!!)

Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)

Hocking Joseph Falmouth 9 95
Medlyn Harriet Falmouth 9 95

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??Harriet in 1841 with her family???
although the ages are out.


Name: Harriet Medlen
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Falmouth
Hundred: West
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Falmouth
Sub-registration district: Falmouth
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Medlen 8
Grace Medlen 35 b.ca 1806, Cornwall
Harriet Medlen 10
John Medlen 6
Joseph Medlen 3
Maria Medlen 14
Mary Ann Medlen 15
Nicholas Medlen 3 Mo
Priscilla Medlen 12
William Medlen 45 b.ca 1796, Cornwall, Labourer


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I'm guessing that this is your Joseph in 1841 with his family, becasue the registration district is Falmouth.

1841 Census

Name: Joseph Hocking
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Budock
Hundred: Kerrier
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Falmouth
Sub-registration district: Falmouth
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Able Hocking 80 b.ca 1761, Cornwall
Benjamin Hocking 16
Eliza Hocking 15
Grace Hocking 40 b.ca 1801, Cornwall
Joseph Hocking 49 b.ca 1792, Cornwall, farmer
Joseph Hocking 10
Elizabeth Prisk 20
Benjamin Stephen 15



sylvia

Hi Ivy,

It is coming together, but I seriously doubt we will find a twin ................... unless the twin was stillborn.


sylvia

Shelly,

to clear up another possible confusion

Name: Joseph H Hockin
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawshawbooth, Lancashire, England


The phrase stepson on this 1891 Census is I think a little bit of an error on the part of the census enumerator.


sylvia

I throw this one in for interests' sake.


I wonder if this could possibly be the Abel Hocking from the 1841 Census??

It is an extracted record, not a submitted one, on the International Genealogical Index on the Mormon site, www.familysearch.org

ABEL HOCKIN Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: PHILIPPA ROBERTS Family
Marriage: 20 JUL 1792 Constantine, Cornwall, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M006391 1571 - 1759 0226147 Film 6901099 Film

M006391 1674 - 1744 0090242 Film NONE

M006391 1754 - 1812 0254165 Film NONE

M006391 1813 - 1875 0254166 Film NONE


Sheet: 00


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I could not find any of their children on there!


sylvia

Hi Sylvia,

I had a quick look at the 1841 Medlen family, to see if Harriet could be 18 instead of 10, but they seem clear that she is 10 years old. The extracted baptisms for Falmouth on the IGI have William and Mary Ann baptising Mary Ann, Priscilla when she is 5 years old, Harriet in 1832 when she is 1 (born 1831) and Frederick. It is then William and Grace who baptise John and Joseph. The record finishes in 1839 (before NIcholas was born). I wonder if they missed baptising Maria, or whether she was Grace's child from a previous relationship.

... and a possible fit along the Medlens, taken from the 1871 census:

Name: Joseph Hy Medlen
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Nicholas
Gender: Male
Where born: Falmouth, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Falmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Falmouth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Falmouth
Sub-registration district: Falmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Condict 24 - sister in law
Anne Medlen 4
John Jas Medlen 6
Joseph Hy Medlen 10 (name matches with the marriage in 1882)
Nicholas Medlen 30 -widower (possibly the one you found in 1841 Sylvia)

hiya ladies

the information youve wrote sounds quite promising it seems to be piecing together at last is there any thing you need me to do apart from getting josephs birth cert ?

shelly xx

i really appreciate this thank-you

hiya all

just bin on the phone to my other uncle and they are relations in boston america he is/was named george hocking that was evas brother and the sibling which died was her 4yr old brother named david it wasnt josephs twin so my first uncle was wrong,just thought id let you know

shelly

Just like to say a great thankyou to you all just renewed my membership, im still trying to work out whos babies whos and who married who,, ill sort it out eventually i hope i am really grateful for the time and effort you have put in i really appreciate it ladies

a big thankyou again

luv shelly xxx