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Hi Zoe Thanks very much for info on William Albert Ball. When you say put a checking point on fathers name do you mean order a certificate, and the family records office in London will only send it to me if the father is Harry Ball? Do you know if they can also just send it to me if dob is 15 March, 1899? Do you know if they charge for these look ups if they do not send you the birth certificate? Thanks Sandra

Hi Zoe Thanks for taking a look for me here are the details you asked for. George porter Rank Labourer lived at 32 cromwell road friern barnet. Bertha was listed at same address Think both her parents were dead when they married. georges sister + her husband were the witnesses. Found them on 1901 census living in friern barnet. George + bertha had one son i know off ( my grandfather) He was born. barnet 1904 at 8 alexandra road friern barnet.On birth cert george was listed as deceased and occupation general labourer. I found on a search a george porter died in barnet age 32 in 1904 but the reg was oct nov dec. thomas birth was not reg untill the 10th oct 1904 he was born on the 16th sept. can not find george on 1891census found his father listed as a vistor at his sisters still in friern barnet.

Zoe, Zoe, Zoe, Thanks for that wealth of information. Just a few queries that you may be able to answer please. (I know I'm a pest)!!! 1) In 1871 census, the address is 1 Clarendon Cottages........is there a road name? 2)Frederick Snr. ......b1834 on 1881census, but 1844 on 1871census? Could this be your typing error or incorrectly transcribed? 3)In 1891 census, Caroline b.1857, on 1881 b. 1839 (more likely) 4)Where was Edward F in 1881 census? What do you think? Ken PS Just had a thought........item 3, perhaps Frederick married a younger Caroline. Did the first one die?

Susan Well I have looked and looked with no joy! Well for the life of me I don't know where they have gone and your positive the ones in Camberwell are not yours I suppose due to all of the children..I don't know what to suggest. Other than search through all of Barnet to see if you can find them..Or even goto a Family History centre they should have name indexes at least you could look them up that way Sorry Zoe

Margaret 1891 Head is a bricklayers lab Charles Minchin abt 1852 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston Warwickshire Charles Minchin abt 1878 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire Florry Minchin abt 1883 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire George Minchin abt 1879 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire Hannah Minchin abt 1881 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Jane Minchin abt 1883 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Kate Minchin abt 1861 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston Warwickshire Rose Minchin abt 1885 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Susan Minchin abt 1876 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Thomas Minchin abt 1877 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire Do you have their marriage cert it maybe worth looking at to see what her address and occupation were at the time! If not Name: William Henry Green Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Aston County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 506 Have you got William in the 1891 census she maybe living around the same area as him as the married at the end of the year. Zoe

Thanks Zoe for looking thought it was me being blind. I will send off for their death certs and hopefully get a address to go on. regards susan

Marie Don't have access to 1841 could look on other censuses if you want though Zoe

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Hi, can you please help me. I am struggling to find the birth details of my grandfather William George Hanson. I have his marriage certificate from 1908 which says he was 25, in the Royal Field Artillery,he was married in Sheffield to Sarah taylor. His father Thomas Hanson was deceased at that time. He originally came from Birmingham, on the census for 1901 I found a William Hanson, age 19, mother Annie was head of household which would probably fit (RG13 2870 166 12 68) When I looked on bmd there was only a william hanson born in 1885. How can I find out the details of his birth certificate to order one to check if it is the right William Hanson. Thanks, Jane

Hi Zoe I think this one needs a few certs to sort out but here goes 1861 RG9/1244 dist Mitford ED 5 Folio 54 Page 13 Household 72 George Elmer Head Elizabeth Elmer Wife Elizabeth Elmer Daur George Elmer Son Martha Elmer Daur William Elmer Son >>>>Thorbon Elmer Son abt 1851 Dunham Norfolk I have all the birth death and marriage refs for all except Thorbon. His birth ref is under the name Thorbon then he just disappears,no census,marriage or death. The children all use the middle name Thorbon at some point and the family splits some stay in Norfolk some go to Lancs and some to Lincolnshire,checked through to 1901 The birth ref is Jun 1851 Mitford district vol 13 pg 259. Then 61 census as above,and 71 blank. Then a death ref in 1879 for Joseph Thorbon Elmer age 28 which fits,Dec 1879 Lincoln vol 7a pg 338. I just can't decide if the Joseph is an addition to his name (after his grandfather) or if he is aanother Elmer child. Your thoughts please. At the moment the cert situation means he has to wait a while. Thanks Glen

Jane Ok this is who you think maybe him in 1901 87 Adams Street Thomas Flatley abt 1875 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Boarder Aston Warwickshire Alice Hanson abt 1883 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Annie Hanson abt 1853 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston Warwickshire Annie Hanson abt 1886 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Maggie Hanson abt 1877 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Sidney Hanson abt 1885 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire William Hanson abt 1882 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now this is the same family in 1891~mistanscribed as Hann on image Hanson Head is Richard Brass Caster Live at Fried Fish shop? Annie is a Fish Fryer Alice Hanson abt 1882 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Annie Hanson abt 1851 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston Warwickshire Annie Hanson abt 1885 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Margrett Hanson abt 1877 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Richard Hanson abt 1850 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston Warwickshire Sidney Hanson abt 1884 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire William Hanson abt 1881 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire So unless he got his fathers name wrong on marriage cert ~ not impossible does happen! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now are you positive he was born in Birmingham as found these births William George Hanson 1884 Apr-May-Jun Staines Middlesex ~ on census looks like his father is a Arthur William George Hanson 1883 Jan-Feb-Mar Wycombe Buckinghamshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire ~ This ones father look like he is called Thomas 1891~ Gordon Road Head is a Millwright Annie Hanson abt 1876 Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Chipping Wycombe Buckinghamshire Sophia Hanson abt 1841 Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Chipping Wycombe Buckinghamshire Thomas Hanson abt 1842 Risborough, Buckinghamshire, England Head Chipping Wycombe Buckinghamshire William Hanson abt 1883 Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England Son Chipping Wycombe Buckinghamshire I'm not saying this is him obviously but just a thought ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now found this medal card on national archives site Looks like your man Medal card of Hanson, William George Corps: 33rd Brigade Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 18241 Rank: Corporal... 1914-1920 Cat ref:WO 372/9 Hope I didn't confuse you more hope I helped Zo

Hi again Zoe In 1868 Elizabeth (wife) died and all the kids vanish,William goes round the uncles/aunts and grandparents through to his death in 1900,the rest all re-appepear in the 81 census onwards. It's just Thorbon who is the mystery (and where the rest went in 71 is not so vital) George (head) ihave found right through to his death in Lincoln many years later. Glen

Thanks Zoe for your help with the Hansons. It was distant relatives that thought he was from Birmingham so perhaps he was from elsewhere. He certainly moved around a lot with the army as his children were born in Sheffield, Salisbury , Edinburgh and Exeter. Jane

Marie Did you see these All born to a Sarah & John 1. ANN HERITAGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 05 NOV 1815 Baptist, Eythorne, Kent, England 2. JOHN HERITAGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 27 DEC 1823 Baptist, Eythorne, Kent, England 3. JAMES HERITAGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 11 NOV 1819 Baptist, Eythorne, Kent, England **Your James** 4. SARAH HERITAGE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 24 MAR 1825 Baptist, Eythorne, Kent, England Try to get a 1841 lookup for the above people as my Kent geography is not too great I have 2 James b 1819 +/- 2 Kent in 1851 One born Sellinge and the other Northbourne. How do these people link to you easier if you go backwards instead of forwards! Zoe

Hi Zoe Please can you look on the 1901 for my husbands grandfather and his siblings John Henry Powney born 1876 Norton Canes. Staffs. Arthur Lewis born 1880 Burton upon trent Edith born 1874 Sheffield. The family are transcribed as Perney on the 1881 in Cannock. Staffs. On the 1881 Arthur Lewis is just Arthur born Derbyshire 1880. Their parents are in Broughton Lancs. John Powney aged 65 Head. born Sedgley. Staffs Emma aged 60 Wife. born Exmouth Devon. The surname is as it should be Powney. Please can you work your magic and find John Henry. Arthur and Edith. Thanks in advance Regards Pam

HI Zoe Here is one for you .Alice Balmer born in Wigan 1879 to John Balmer but cant find the name of her mother .But in the 1881 cencus she was entered as a visitor in the household of John Balmer widower but by this time her name was Alice Balmer Clayson. I have a copy of her marriage certificate and again she is known as Alice Balmer Clayson but her father on the certificate is John Balmer . She died in Southanpton in 1946 by then she had married and her name was Tiplady .I have had people sugest that maybe she was born out of wedlock i have also had people say that maybe her mother died and her father gave her up but she was allowed back to the family on a visit .At 2 years old this sounds strange to me .Also her father was at her wedding so that is even stranger .Can you help?Brenda

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If you are still in business, my mystery is where is George Canton b 1815 in Manorbier Pembrokeshire in the 1841 census. In 1851 he is at Neath Margum 3a 213 page 24 house 83. This entry has been badly transcribed by Ancestry, they have Canha as the surname. If he is in the 1841 census he must have been mis-transcribed there too.

Michael