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Hello Zoe As you say, with a fresh pair of eyes I would be most grateful if you can help me make progress “backwards”. What I know so far G grandfather John Black was born in Scotland, he was 27 in 1901 living in York with wife Elizabeth Black 28 born Selby, and son Thomas E Black aged 3 born Langham Norfolk. I want to be able to track John Black in Scotland but there were over 40 born in 1873 and I don’t know his town. I was hoping there maybe more information of the marriage certificate, but I can not find reference to it. Elizabeth’s maiden name was Cooper. A search on Scotlands People didn’t return at match for this couple, no John Blacks and Elizabeth Cooper in the time span. Anyway I think it is more likely that he travelled to England rather than she to Scotland. Can you see anything on BMD records, I don’t know what year. I have Thomas’s birth certificate but there are no clues on it. Also John Black died before 1905 when Elizabeth remarried. I have a death certificate for a John Black from 1904, right age and York., but I don’t have anything to confirm it is the right John Black. His death was notified by the next door neighbour. A Elizabeth Thompson. I haven’t paid to view the 1901 record so don’t know the address at that time. Can you check for me please? On the death certificate it looks like 4 Dowells Yard, Something Street? for John Black, and witness 3 Dowells Yard Also can you look to see if John Black aged 17 was in England in 1891 census. Where was Elizabeth Cooper aged 18 in 1891. I hope all this is not too much to ask of you. Many thanks in advance for whatever you can do for me. Pauline

Hi Zoe 1871 census.......FREDERICK CALOW b1843 (Head), SARAH (Wife), ROBERT SAMUEL (Son) All living in Camberwell, London at this time. Thanks for looking. Ken.

Hi There, Not sure if you can help.... I'm trying to find out what ever information I can about Joseph Twigg-Balmer. I have have very little info to go on, but here's what I do have. Elizabeth Dunsdon born c 1885, Steventon, Berks married Joseph Twigg-Balmer. They had a daughter Kathleen Betty Twigg-Balmer, born 1919. The address that Kathleen was born at was 6 Fairmead Road (23-01-1919) Kathleen's birth (1b 172 ) cert states that her father Joseph Twigg-Balmer was a Mining engineer of West Lodge, Barnsbury Square, Islington (stange I know). Elizabeth had married a Victor Weeden in 1912 (in Thanet) and then went on to marry Henry Thomas Brent in 1923. I cannot trace any Joseph Twigg-Balmer though. Unfortunatley I do not have a birth year or place. Which means I have been relying mainly on his somewhat unusal surname. Elizabeth had two children with Victor Weeden, Anthony Claude Weeden born in 1915 and Margaret (Peggy) Weeden in 1912. Both Anthony and Kathleen were adopted by Elizabeth's third husband Henry Brent (Not Margaret though). Any help greatly received. I'm not really sure what to do or where to go next as I have so little info to work with. Any suggestions welcome :0) Thanks, Danni

Margaret Could you please post the 1901 & 1881 info in full please so I can use that to help me find her Many thanks Zoe

Susan What are all the details from the marriage cert please especially Georges occupation and their address at time of marriage! Do you have George in 1891 census? Do you know if they had any children? have you got the death cert if so what was the address? Sorry for all Q's just might help me find them Zoe

Cheryl Looked through GRO records for 1925 no sign of a birth for a Harry Fryer but 3 Henry's in dec quarter of 1925! Sorry cannot help more Zoe

Leanne So this is him in 1891 Neath Road Head is a Coalminer Anne Ayres abt 1870 Clase, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan Griffydd Ayres abt 1881 Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan Jesse Ayres abt 1884 Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan William Ayres abt 1857 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1901 Seems likely that this is the family but the name spelt wrong~ happens soooo often Address~ Lonlas Head and Jesse are Coal miner hewers Ann Hares abt 1870 Morriston, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Llansamlet Glamorgan Eleanor A Hares abt 1897 Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llansamlet Glamorgan Jesse Hares abt 1884 Pontardawe, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llansamlet Glamorgan Marfydd Hares abt 1899 Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llansamlet Glamorgan William Hares abt 1858 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llansamlet Glamorgan William J Hares abt 1894 Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llansamlet Glamorgan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok seems to be them in 1881 Elizabeth Hares abt 1859 Swansea Valley, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan Griffith Hares Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan 2 Weeks old John Hares abt 1880 Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan William Hares abt 1857 Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Head Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan Mary Thomas abt 1863 Swansea Valley, Glamorgan, Wales Visitor Llansamlet Higher Glamorgan It looks very likely that it is them as they have griffith as a 2 week old in 1881 and the 1891 he is 10, this happens quite often with names as not everyone knew how toread and write so if the perosn whose name it was did not know how to spell it the person writing it would spell it how they thought it would be spelt ~ hope you get what I mean. Seems like the first wife was Elizabeth and the visitor was born in the same place maybe they are sisters. ~ try to trace them back Can't seem to find either marriage for William Zoe

Sandra The only birth I can find that matches name and date is this one in Nottingham Name: William Albert Ball Year of Registration: 1899 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 408 You can always put a checking point of fathers name Zoe

John No sign of any of them in the 1851 census..they may just have been missed out maybe you should ask if anyone has the Staffordshire 1851 census disk for Tipton and see if they show up on that!! Zoe

Michelle A death cert will give certain details ie informant age at death what they died of and address of onformant but nothing about parents ect.. Sorry couldn't help more Zoe

Pauline On image looks like 3 Thompsons Cottages but they may have moved in the few years between census and death, does Elizabeths marriage cert say Widow? But think this might help marriage ref Marriages Jun 1900 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Black John York 9d 103 Cooper Elizabeth York 9d 103 Once you have this marriage cert it will give fathers names and occs and hopefully make it easier to find them in 1891 There is a few John Blacks born Scotland around the right age in 1891 but need more info to be sure Zoe

Ken Do you mean you are looking for them in 1871? Only Frederick Calow I can find in 1871 is Caroline Calow abt 1838 Lewisham, Kent, England Wife Camberwell St Giles Surrey Caroline A Calow abt 1860 Newington, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell St Giles Surrey Clara A Calow abt 1865 Newington, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell St Giles Surrey Frederick Calow abt 1844 St George, Surrey, England Head Camberwell St Giles Surrey Frederick W Calow abt 1869 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Camberwell St Giles Surrey George Calow abt 1863 Newington, Surrey, England Son Camberwell St Giles Surrey Robert Calow abt 1871 Peckham, Surrey, England Son Camberwell St Giles Surrey This one has a wife called Caroline Do you have yours in any other censuses where was he born where was Sarah and Robert born and birth year for Robert please! Zoe

Danielle All I can suggest is that you try to get electoral roll lookup for the address in 1919 when their child was born as it may list him other than that don't know what to suggest. Do you have all three of Elizabeth's marriage certs? Does each one say widow? Have you looked through the deaths records for Joseph? Zoe

Hi Zoe thanks for looking maybe his name was Henry like his dad could you please tell me where these Henry Fryer were born so i can investigate further thanks for you time . Regards Cheryl

Hi Zoe, Thanks for the advice. No, I don't have all the cert - I have looked up the Dunsdon/Weeden marriage and have also found the Dunsdon/Brent marriage - but nothing for Twigg-Balmer. It's interesting, on Kathleen's birth cert it states her mother's name was Dunsdon (although she had marriage Victor Weeden!) Would it be possible for someone to point me in the right direction to search the electoral roll for 1919? No I haven't searched for Joseph's death - maybe that's the only way forward. I thought that Twigg-Balmer would have been an usual surname and relatively easy to trace - looks like I was wrong. Thanks for your help though Zoe - greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Danni

Thank you Zoe for your help with John Black. That marriage certificate may be them although it was a few years after the birth of Thomas. But I know that doesn’t mean it wasn’t them. Pauline

Hi Zoe Thanks for looking again for my Cartwrights in1851, I guess they must have been missed off for some reason. Thanks again John

Hi Zoe, Thanks for info........do you have their address in Camberwell at time of census? Robert is my Grandfather b 1870ish in Camberwell, (I'm waiting for his birth cert. now), he married Caroline, so this is def. him. His Father and Mother differ in your info to what I've previously been told (again birth cert. will confirm), but I'm beginning to think that you are right. Ken.

Many thanks Zoe, you are a star. Leanne.

Ken Address is 1 Clarendon Cottages Head is a Glass paper maker 1881 Head is a bricklayer both women inlaws are widows Anne M. A. Calow abt 1878 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell London Caroline Calow abt 1839 ...Ham, Kent, England Wife Camberwell London Chas. I. Calow abt 1874 Camberwell, Surrey, England Son Camberwell London Francis Calow abt 1876 Camberwell, Surrey, England Son Camberwell London Fredk. Calow abt 1834 Old Kent Rd, Surrey, England Head Camberwell London Fredk. W. Calow abt 1869 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Camberwell London George Calow abt 1863 Kennington, Surrey, England Son Camberwell London Robt. I. Calow abt 1871 Camberwell, Surrey, England Son Camberwell London Caroline A. Ralph abt 1804 Greenwich, Kent, England Mother in Law Camberwell London Sarah A. Sinclair abt 1846 Lee, Kent, England Sister in Law Camberwell London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1891 Head is a Gen Lab Fred Jr is a Tea merchant Address is hard to read Anna M Calow abt 1878 Kirkham, London, England Daughter Camberwell London Caroline Calow abt 1857 Kent Hill Lewisham, London, England Wife Camberwell London Charles J Calow abt 1874 Kirkham, London, England Son Camberwell London Edward F Calow abt 1876 Kirkham, London, England Son Camberwell London Frederick Calow abt 1834 St Georges Rd, Surrey, England Head Camberwell London Frederick W Calow abt 1869 Lambeth, London, England Son Camberwell London Robert S Calow abt 1871 Kirkham, London, England Son Camberwell London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1901 114 ?Kirkham Road? Head is a Glass paper maker Caroline S Calow abt 1873 Ashford, Middlesex, England Wife Camberwell London Robert S Calow abt 1871 Peckham, London, England Head Camberwell London William C Calow abt 1899 Peckham, London, England Son Camberwell London Nellie Cottle abt 1898 Peckham, London, England Niece Camberwell London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here is Roberts birth! Name: Robert Samuel Calow Year of Registration: 1871 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Camberwell (1837-1919) County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 705 Roberts marriage Name: Robert Samuel Calow Year of Registration: 1895 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Camberwell (1837-1919) County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 1590 To a Caroline Sarah Cottle *****If this is not the right Robert tell me the info you have on your grandfather and his children and I wil try to track them for you!!*** To ensure you have the right one! Zoe