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Hi Zoe Thanks for your offer,several people have tried to help find my Grt-Grt Grandparents with no luck so far. They are missing from the 1891 Census. Henry James Foreman born abt 1864 Gravesend Kent Eliza Jane Foreman born abt 1870 Rye Sussex. They were married in Strood Kent August 1890 adress they gave was Perry Street Northfleet May 1891 their first child was born in Rye Sussex. 1901 census they are in Gravesend kent Hope you can help with their children. Jane

Stuart You can find her maiden name out by finding a childs birth cert~that will have both parents names on it. Now think this may be him in 1851 Bear Inn Head is a Innkeeper Richard Davis abt 1831 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Lodger Oswestry Shropshire Joseph James abt 1833 Whittington, Shropshire, England Brother Oswestry Shropshire Ann Lewis abt 1843 Llanarmon, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Oswestry Shropshire Mary Lewis abt 1823 Llanarmon, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Oswestry Shropshire Richard Lewis abt 1846 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Son Oswestry Shropshire Thomas Lewis abt 1818 Llansillin, Denbighshire, Wales Head Oswestry Shropshire Thomas Lewis abt 1848 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Son Oswestry Shropshire Ann Morris abt 1831 Pontfain, Shropshire, England Servant Oswestry Shropshire Elizabeth Morris abt 1834 Selyttin, Shropshire, England Servant Oswestry Shropshire James Parry abt 1831 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Lodger Oswestry Shropshire William Roberts abt 1821 Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales Visitor Oswestry Shropshire Source information: HO107/1993 Registration district: Oswestry Sub-registration district: *Knockin* ED, institution, or vessel: 2d Folio: 591 Page: 8 Household schedule number: 28 Oswestry Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Shropshire, but included parts of Denbighshire. Sub-districts : Knockin; Llansilin; Oswestry; St. Martin. GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6a (1852-1930). Bron-y-Garth, Ifton Rhyn, **Kinnerley**, **Knockin**, Llanyblodwel, Llanymynech, Oswestry, Ruyton of the Eleven Towns, Selattyn, St. Martin's, Sychtyn, West Felton, Weston Rhyn, Whittington. Possibly your Richards birth Births Sep 1847 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lewis Richard Distict: Oswestry Volume 18 Page 113 Ok you need to find a child's birth cert to get mothers maiden name then should be able to fins the marriage from marriage cert you will get Fathers names and occupations this will clrify whether the above in 1851 is yours.. You can use freeBMD or ancestry to find births Zoe

Hi Zoe I am really struggling to find my 2x Great Grandparents on any census returns. The only information I have is that Charles Pratt married Maria Wiginton in 1827 in Heston, Middlesex. On the IGI are baptisms at Isleworth, M/sex of children William Pratt 1830 and Maria Pratt 1831. I do have William in Staffs from 1871 onwards, he married Sophia Seaton from Gawcott, Bucks, no marriage record found as yet. I would love to find out where his parents came from so any information would be very welcome. Regards Ann

Ann Have you actually ordered the deaths cert as it may hold some info that will help you out maybe residence at time of death just so we can see who registered him and where he died ect. It may be the missing link you are looking for as on the 1881 census you can do an address search.**So you mean you haven't found any of the family in 1881 is that correct?** I have looked also must be so badly mistranscribed only thing I think you should do if you haven't done it is trawl through Kensington districts on images you never know what you will come across, it's all I can think of I had to do this with one of my ancestors whose surname was Kellett but mistranscribed Roberts (Doh) the thing was there was not even a Roberts on that page and the image was so clear. Here is Anns second marriage~just incase you didn't have it Marriages Dec 1889 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Killingbeck Anne Scarborough 9d 706 Lawson John Hartas Scarborough 9d 706 Zoe

Hi Zoe Please could you look for a death for me. Carrie Cowdell Dec qtr 1939 Surrey l was given it a long time ago but seem to have mislaid the info. l need the volume and page number so l can send for the cert Carrie is my g/grandmother. l have searched free bmd and ancestry but cannot find it. Thanks in advance Kind regards Pam

Emma Do you have a marriage cert for May/Mary and your grandfather? Did they have any children together? On your grandfathers second marriage cert does it say Widow? Which area does your granddad originate? Sorry for questions but need to know I'm looking in the right places Zoe

LOL :-) I know what you mean about the census, My head is spinning with the whole thing. I am now totally confused and I think I have totally confused you too. In Trying to answer you questions here goes..... John Morgan was born 1871 and is listed on the 1881 Census as the son of Ralph Marshall born 1853. This is incorrect as John Morgan was not Ralphs son He was Mary Marshalls brother as it correctly states on the 1891 Census, which lists him as the head age 20. This is what I am curious about, why is he the head and where is Ralph Marshall in 1891 along with his daugher Mary E born 1879 Thomas born 1877 IS the son of Mary and Ralph but the nephew of John Morgan as is Thomas age4 The Mary Morgan on the 1891 Census age 47 widow is not on the 1881 census, it was Mary Marshall her daughter who is on the 1881 census born 1857 and born in Ireland (boy her mother had her young didnt she I just noticed that one) So she is not the widow of Ralph Marshall born 1853 she is his mother in law. So......... judging by the 1891 census the way I read it is, Mary Marshall is living with her 2 sons with her brother John Morgan age 20 and her mother Mary Morgan aged 47 but where are her husband Ralph Marshall b1853 and her daughter Mary E living? As to the 1901 Scotland Census, yes they are all accounted for. Your thinking 'Clear as mud right?' Sorry for the hassle Dont waste anymore time on it if you have better things to do Thanks Linda

We don't have a cert for May and Joseph, on my grandads second marriage it does say widow, and he comes from newark but lived most of his life in Nottingham.

Jane 1901 ~ for ref This is them I hope Head is a Seaman Eliza Foreman abt 1873 Rye, Sussex, England Wife Gravesend Kent Harry Foreman abt 1893 Gravesend, Kent, England Son Gravesend Kent Henry Foreman abt 1865 Gravesend, Kent, England Head Gravesend Kent Maud Foreman abt 1892 Gravesend, Kent, England Daughter Gravesend Kent Richard Foreman abt 1900 Gravesend, Kent, England Son Gravesend Kent No sign of them at all do you think maybe he was away at sea have you got their first son Richards birth cert the address might help? Zoe

Hi Zoe thank,s for offer , could you please look up Richard Day he is on the 1881 census aged 1 living in Hartlepool with his gran,also in the house is a Margaret down as a daughter and a son named Thomas, l was wondering if on a later census Richard would show up as the son of Margaret or Thomas. thanks. If l am not being cheeky would you also look up Sara Jane Casey born in Hartlepool about 1886 , thank,s Carol

Hi Zoe Wonder whether you can help Looking for James P Dale born about 1838 in All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne, in the 1861 census he is living in Thornley (Easington) County Durham wife called Mary from Seaham harbour. (he is a coalminer) In the 1881 census he is living in Winlaton, Blaydon County Durham. Missing in the 1871 census, althouigh I did find an entry on the IGI (has to be checked out) he had a daughter Ann in 1866 at Stella, which is Blaydon, County Durham. Eyes going crossed! Many thanks Cherl

hi zoe can you find a marriage for james aspin and elizabeth smith? they were both born in lancashire-burnley. James born 1841. I cant find a marriage for them, several others have looked too but i thought a fresh pair of eyes may be good. Also i have them on 1881 census with their children. i have him on the 1871 census as married but his wife isnt there so im looking for an elizabeth aspin on the 71 census. (name varies between aspin and aspen and possibly other variations too) this is them in 1881 James Aspen abt 1841 Burnley, Lancashire, England Head Habergham Eaves Lancashire Eliz. Aspen abt 1847 Burnley, Lancashire, England Wife Habergham Eaves Lancashire Sarah Ann Aspen abt 1875 Burnley, Lancashire, England Daughter Habergham Eaves Lancashire John Aspen abt 1878 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire Thomas Aspen Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire lou

Dorothy Have you tried to get the 1841 census details for this family that may help as they were prob still at home ~ I don't have access Sorry Can you post the details of the 1871 census please so I can see what he states BP as ect. Thanks Zoe

Hi Zoe Thanks for trying I don't have their first sons birth cert Thanks anyway. Jane

Pamela Dec 1939 Carrie Cowdell Age:69 District: Surrey S.W Vol:2a Page:812 It was on Ancestry you have to goto the BETA version of BMD's Zoe

Linda 'I'M SPINNING AROUND LOL WELL MY HEAD IS' Going to need time to get my head around that. Have you checked the Scottish 1891 census as he may have been looking at places in census 1891. Do you know when they moved to Scotland? Zoe

Emma Do you have your grandad in any censuses if so please post them as Mary/May may have been in the same area Thanks Zoe

Hi Zoe Thank you so much for granny's info. l thought l had tried both on ancestry. Senior moment (again) l've got the application all ready and have added the page and volume numbers so l don't lose them again. Thanks again Zoe. Enjoy your day Kind regards Pam

Carol So this is them in 1881 Margaret DAY Head W Female 53 Loftus, York, England Green Grocer Margaret J. DAY Daur U Female 20 Seaham, Durham, England Milliner Thomas DAY Son U Male 19 Hartlepool Marine Engine Fitter Richard W. DAY Grand Son Female 1 Hartlepool -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 97 High St Census Place Hartlepool, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342180 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4907 / 46 Page Number 30 Can't see them in following censuses! Do you know who Richard married? Here is his birth ref~ This will clear up who parents are Name: Richard William Day Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Hartlepool (1859-1938) County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 1[35]0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't know if you have this his grandmother and her children(more to choose from) oh and sons called Richard and William 1871 Anthony D Day abt 1858 Staithes, Yorkshire, England Son Hartlepool Durham Margaret Day abt 1829 Staithes, Yorkshire, England Wife Hartlepool Durham Margaret J Day abt 1859 Hartlepool, Durham, England Daughter Hartlepool Durham Richard Day abt 1864 Hartlepool, Durham, England Son Hartlepool Durham Robert Day abt 1822 Whitley, Yorkshire, England Head Hartlepool Durham Thomas Day abt 1861 Hartlepool, Durham, England Son Hartlepool Durham William Day abt 1866 Hartlepool, Durham, England Son Hartlepool Durham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **CASEY** There are only 3 in 1901 and 1891 none born Hartlepool Do you know fathers name? Sarah Casey abt 1885 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Daughter Birkenhead Cheshire Sarah Ann Casey abt 1885 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Leeds Yorkshire **this one out as Ann is middle name** Sarah J Casey abt 1888 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Leeds Yorkshire Strange thing is here is the birth cert Name: Sarah Jane Casey Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Hartlepool (1859-1938) County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 135 Now I presume this is their marriage Name: Sarah Jane Casey Year of Registration: 1906 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Hartlepool (1859-1938) County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 283 William Day on same page **DO YOU HAVE THIS CERT** as it would give fathers names maybe easier to track them if you know this info..If you don't have it I would advise you to get it so the info you gather collabarates. Zoe

Hi Zoe . I dont know when they moved to Scotland only sometime beween 1891 and 1901 I didnt think of looking for the two missing ones in Scotland in 1891 so you could be right on that one. Maybe they were househunting :-) Seems strange to take your daughter and not you wife though? But who knows eh! Im off to bed now its sleep time in Oz, well way past it really and I really have to give me eyes and head a bit of a rest from all of this if thats possible, it seems to have taken over my life this past week, Im truly addicted. Linda