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STEIN OF RUSSIA & USA

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ian

ian Report 6 Sep 2022 10:35

All stayed in New York area except one which went to Florida, i have traced that line no luck

ian

ian Report 17 Sep 2022 10:25

Now looking for m of Ethel b 1888 census said 1906 to a Harry Nowack/Novak/ Novick (all different spellings) he was b 1884 re census, they had 2 children Rose/Rosie 1908 & Jacob 1911 of Bathgate Ave Bronx NY
Have try all spellings but no joy

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2022 10:34

Where have you looked?

ian

ian Report 17 Sep 2022 11:01

on this site, family search, ancestry & on us census, it's hard not knowing correct spelling

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Sep 2022 11:11

Harry Nowack
in the New York, New York, U.S., Extracted Marriage Index, 1866-1937
Name: Harry Nowack
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 7 Oct 1906
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, USA
Spouse: Ethel Stein
Certificate Number: 24680

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2022 11:12

Sometimes info simply isn't available.........................

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Sep 2022 11:15

I've just posted the marriage.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2022 11:17

You've already been given 1920 and 1930 census records for Ethel......................and 1920 for the children of her marriage

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2022 11:18

I only just noticed that you asked for 'm' of Ethel ....................have some thought for people's eyes, please ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Sep 2022 11:18

Son Jacob also known as Jack:

Jack Nowack
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Jack Nowack [Jack Novack]
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1910
Birth Place: Bronx, New York [Bronx|]
Death Date: 5 May 2000
Claim Date: 8 Nov 1975
Father: Harry Novack
Mother: Ethel Stein
SSN: 091013350
Relationship of Signature: Not signed, SSA prepared.
Notes: 03 Dec 1975: Name listed as JACK NOWACK


Or actually born as Jack ???

Jack I Novack
in the New York, New York, U.S., Birth Index, 1910-1965
Name: Jack I Novack
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1910
Birth Place: Bronx, New York City, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 8786

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2022 11:30

????????

Name: Jack Nowack
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 9 Apr 1933
Marriage Place: Harrison, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 9717

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Sep 2022 11:30

Harry Nowack seems to have disappeared from the scene between c1910 and 1915, when Ethel and her children are living with her parents.

Still with Ethel in 1910:

Harry Novick
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Harry Novick [Harry Mevick]
Age in 1910: 26
Birth Date: 1884 [1884]
Birthplace: Russia
Home in 1910: Bronx Assembly District 34, New York, New York, USA
Street: Third Ave
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1893
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Ethel Novick
Father's Birthplace: Russia
Mother's Birthplace: Russia
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Printer
Industry: Shop
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Farm or House: House
Naturalization Status: Papers
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 4
Out of Work: Y
Number of Weeks Out of Work: 36
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Harry Novick 26 Head
Ethel Novick 24 Wife
Rosie Novick 2 Daughter
Abraham Goldberg 19 Boarder

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Sep 2022 11:50

Just a maybe , and only because I don't see his death 1910-1915 .

BUT there are lots of men of that name and approx YOB:


Harry Novick
in the New York, U.S., State Census, 1915
Name: Harry Novick
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: Russia
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Residence Place: Islip, Suffolk [ Central Islip State Hospital ]
Relationship: Patient
Color or Race: White
Assembly District: 02
House Number: 960
Line Number: 9
Page number: 50
Household Members Ag



Harry Novick
in the New York, U.S., Death Index, 1852-1956
Name: Harry Novick
Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1885
Death Date: 14 Aug 1951
Death Place: Islip, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 52301

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2022 11:02

In 1920, Ethel was said to be widowed......................but that could be a 'face-saver'

ian

ian Report 20 Sep 2022 10:17

Thanks, interesting that he could be in hospital

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Sep 2022 12:20

Central Islip State Hospital was a psychiatric hospital.

If that's the correct man, he was obviously a long-term patient - hence Ethel's possible face-saving as ErikaH suggests, as mental illness wasn't talked about in those days..